Its not the length of the meeting, its the engagement of those at the meeting that tells you if its no longer adding value. Like I said above, the longer a meeting goes, the more creativity diminishes. Without tech I would not be able to look at my calendar, look up what calling someone has, etc. I'm so excited to be able to serve my Lord and Savior to the best capacity I can. Have you ever noticed that people almost never complain when a meeting goes a few minutes long, but when it ends short, they lose their minds? After reading the following scriptures, please share your thoughts on the discussion board regarding the questions below. There are still those that are hanging onto tradition, however, After this next generation, I think itll be gone. Would he build up or tear down? This is ward council! This may come across as ablunt message, but meetings are either well done or toxic and its important that leaders get them right. (References to wards and bishoprics also apply to branches and branch presidencies.). OR you get TMI info from members at the meeting of things that you wish you didnt know and were not pertinent of the goal of the meeting. Even with an invitation to the spirit there should still be guidelines that a leader follows to manage the meetings effectiveness. IMHO, this topic could be a great teaching/training subject for many leadership meetings (both in a ward & stake). Thanks for these great ideas. If it isnt, cancel it; it isnt worth holding a meeting that is anything different. He Is Risen: A Prophets Testimony, Receiving Personal Guidance at Stake Conference, The Atonement and the Journey of Mortality, Celebrating Each Others Accomplishments, Church Releases New Products for Youth, Children, Heather Whittle Wrigley and Philip M. Volmar, Added Focus on Ministering Strengthens Visiting Teaching, Prophets.LDS.org Features New Biographies of Living Apostles, President Packer Teaches at Seminary Centennial, Ward Councils at Work, Ensign, Apr. When you have your device in the meeting you can make sure you arent on Facebook but you cant guarantee everyone is doing that same. Among other callings, Mike served as a full-time missionary (Japan Tokyo South), early morning seminary teacher, elders quorum president, ward mission leader, and in multiple bishoprics despite his large, young family. Do you disagree? If you can walk to the stake center in 10 minutesit is a blessing that supports shorter more frequentHC or other meeting. Calendaring items are mentioned, but otherwise hardly discussed. I wish you actually provided suggestions instead of full on criticisms. Easy-peazy. Thanks again. A week before I was called as a stake RS president, I attended a stake/ward leadership training meeting where stake presidents closing remarks were based solely on delegation and among other wonderful words of encouragement and counsel, related the story of Moses & his father-in-law, Jethro (Exodus 18) Being made aware of that principle has certainly helped me to cope and to enjoy serving in whatever capacity I have been called to serve. No disagreement about that ideally all would receive revelation in ward council and that a bishop should confirm revelation, but Im still unsettled. Your email address will not be published. So, assume the bishop is misguided until he confirms a final decision. Eveything in between builds up to it and makes you appreciate it so much more, "Can anyone doubt that [The Book of Mormon] was meant for us, and that in it we can find great power, great comfort and great protection?" After we experienced a great deal of success in baptisms and returning members, it was decided to move this activity back to the organization level, where it sputtered and died. #LDS, We loved this quote from John Bytheway in #tofwsanantonio tonight! Elder Bruce R. McConkie's Last Talk. Each member of the council can improve in some way. The most common problems faced in creating a cohesive and inspired ward council may include: I was blessed to work with an extremely inspired bishop who, over the course of time, successfully transformed the ward council from one that looked like the problematic picture painted above into a highly-functioning, vision-driven, and unified ward council. Good direction here, but I think it does need to be said. Im not sure how he does it, but the bishop must be amazing at handling meetings. When autocomplete results are available use up and down arrows to review and enter to select. #6 the Misguided Presiding Authority Im not sure what you mean, here, but I think I agree with you. Fighting against tradition and helping members open their minds may have been the most difficult step. I cant imagine sitting through a 3 hour branch coordination. Our ward council lasts about 90 minutes, but I feel if we were told it would only be 60 we would be able to do it in 60 without any trouble at all. There is no other option of where to start than there. Because 60minutes of people being unprepared is still as ineffective as 90min or 2 hours of people being unprepared. I have read the handbook regarding the meetings and would like to design agendas which help us to better meet the specific goals and outlines for each meeting. And consider specific items to discuss. I have been in Presidencies and the secretary. I am excited to hear of your success with your approach. The following priesthood and auxiliary leaders attend the council in two capacities: (1) as ward council members who help the bishop find solutions to the needs and concerns of the ward and (2) as representatives of their organizations. Be creative and save people some time and money by using conferencing. Im talking about council meetings (ward council, presidency meetings, stake high council, etc.). It comes when a youth leader has a candid conversation with a young man who trusts him. Preparation or the lack thereof can speak to the spiritual maturity of your councilors, or the circumstances they find themselves in. Offer a Handel's Messiah event to the public. Our ward is doing so much missionary work and so many inactive and part member families are coming back. I appreciate your comment AND your passion. As an example of having seen that years ago our bishop asked each auxiliary presidency to fast, attend the temple and pray about a specific scripture and consider its application to their stewardship and how they could ultimately help their members grow closer to the Lord. Ha haIm a bishop actually. #2 Anyone can cancel and #4 Agenda required are both good rules. Do you want to become like Satan or like Christ? Yeah, I think we agree more than we disagree. Together they have five children and have heard every Brady Bunch joke in the book. If you prioritize properly, the excess beyond sixty minutes can be handled outside HC or left until next week. "I want to know how God created this world. Our leaders and members are not perfect and never will be on this earth! So, just curiousif we truly see these as being revelatory experiences, then they should be treated similarly to our sacrament meetings. Handbook 2 ( 4.6) advises ward council should be 60-90 minutes in duration. And on the bright side I do believe there will be better members, better leaders, and better meetings in the next life! I was concerned when my husband was called about the impact it would have on our family life. The three things I cant stand most about meetings are: Preparing for that purpose is the responsibility of each ward council member. But never, and I mean NEVER, is a meeting worth 61 minutes. I think we have the mistaken notion that every element of revelation coming to the ward has to come through the bishop. When she reached inside her bag for a notebook, she came across a picture of 28 Primary children on the steps of the Palmyra New York Temple. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - Wikipedia The branch council also draws on Church resources, such as the LDS Employment Services career workshop materials.2 They established a class taught by a branch member, which helped another branch member find a better job. We also took a lot of notes, and updated agendas on the fly for our next meetings. Ward Activities. We are on fire!!! As they do, they will harness the extraordinary power of these councils to help the Lord bless His children and accomplish His work. You can also subscribe without commenting. For a moment, the picture pulled her attention away from the meeting, and she focused briefly on the day the ward Primary had gone to Palmyra to enjoy the sacred feeling of the temple grounds. All Jacob learned that if he kept the covenant, God would be with him everywhere he went, that God would fulfill everything he promised to do for him, and that God would bring him back to the land of. Service (renamed from Care for the Poor and Needy in case a printed copy was discovered by a member whose name was listed there). Except for a year off for good behavior to teach Primary, I have been participating in ward leadership meetings every Sunday morning for the past twenty-five years. How would you like to spend council time? These members watched their parents put in so much time in their callings growing up that it turned into resentment. I dont mind the mindset of people questioning and actively participating, but starting from the premise that the leader is mis-guided is wrong. Email and text follow-ups/reporting among the three of us (were without a secretary currently) have gone back and forth through the week and were now preparing for this weeks agenda. To learn more about succeeding in your calling, visit the Leadership Training Library, available in several languages at leadershiplibrary.lds.org. Mainly because many of us use our phones and/or tablets for calendars and such. Sometimes the invitation can be decided by the ward council, but all should be encouraged to follow the Spirit with regard to what invitation or challenge to present. The ward mission leader coordinates the wards efforts to do missionary work. A simple place to start is searching for the definition of priesthood keys on lds.org. Planning takes place outside of the meeting. I no longer have to carry around loads of materials like a bag lady. by Leading Saints | Dec 5, 2018 | Articles, Bishops, Elders Quorum, Ministering, Primary Presidencies, Relief Society, Ward Council, Youth Leadership | 0 comments. And yet we are all Children of our Father in Heaven! The presiding authority or the conductor should cut it off politely and reconduct the meeting. All were covered with wasp stings. As we would test and determine which practices had a positive effect on our bishopric meetings, wed introduce them to the ward council. I do try the softly, softly approach and try to always sustain my leaders. I emailed my counselors early in the week with business items that needed to be addressed and taken care of outside of our meeting (gathering HT reports, callings that had already been discussed but were to be extended, who was teaching when, other assignements etc), referenced Elder Bednar and revelatory experiences and asked them to prepare accordingly for the agenda items I included. "We should bear in mind that the success of a given activity cannot always be judged by its size. So the council doesnt decide. This is a sample of what it looks like with fake names. Thanks for your reply. Doctrine and Covenants 6:36 Look unto me in every thought; doubt not, fear not. Sometimes I feel like we expect perfection out of our church leaders, teachers, and members. I really do not like church meetings especially high council meetings because they are so poorly run. So lets agree that you wont hold another meeting unless you have sufficiently outlined it as a revelatory experience. Many people read and apply and others dont for whatever reasons. If someone on the council has reason to not come to the meeting or, quite frankly, doesnt want to be in the meeting, then they should have the right to not be there. Spiritual Crocodiles; FAITH. There are so many church members that feel left out in church and being part of an active committee could help make many of these people feel welcomed and needed. It is part of holding folks accountable. I used the title in the image Unbreakable Rules as manly a way to intrigue the audience, and it worked. Ill add another thing. Walk with faith, rejoicing in the beauties of nature, in the goodness of those you love, in the testimony which you carry in your heart concerning things divine.". I have seen both sides of the fence and it is joy when people are prepared to have as Elder Bednar taught a revelatory experience . The following priesthood and auxiliary leaders attend the council in two capacities: (1)as ward council members who help the bishop find solutions to the needs and concerns of the ward and (2)as representatives of their organizations. That happens all over the world. The in the higher echelons often do not deceminate information because they think ever he knows when actually only they and those close to them know. I believe in the adage that Failure to plan is planning to fail! It discusses the different types of meetings organizations should/could have. Whether you are new at running a ward council, or new at running a ward council where ministering is the focus, here are some great insights that may make it easier to navigate a successful ward council with a common vision for the ward. My first counselor said to me, Bishop, THIS is where it is at.not sitting in those dumb ward and stake meetings!. More succinctly, Elder Neal A. Maxwell said, it is direction first, then velocity!. He makes a very concerted effort to minimize meetings and make sure they are productive. The 12th Article of Faith states, "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." In honor of the Fourth of July we have compiled 10 patriotic quotes from various leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: 1. Seems to me the article reflects the authers personal standards and that they want them to be church standards. AGENDA. So much of the information shared is not needful for many in the room to even know! Your rule would have made that impossible. Points well made. They focus on individuals and families first, then how programs can help. "I imagine that if we could see the heavenly barometer that reads and records the secret thoughts of each person during the sacrament, we would have a pretty good measure of the spirituality of that person.". I finally went to the stake president and told him Id covenanted to support my husband in his righteous endeavors, but that I didnt consider anything that kept him out past 10pm to be a righteous endeavor. When my husband was a stake clerk, weekly high council meetings could last until midnight. They were painful. What was your favorite part of the event tonight? I thought of the Lord's divine guidance as they acted in faith. You just might have to schedule a meeting specifically to address admin. Purchase one of our Spiritually Minded is Life Eternal (SMILE) Bracelets [wp_ad_camp_1] They had caught the vision! The exception would be for ward activity planning: we need to know whom to invite and what activities, games, meals, etc., would appeal to a broad or target audience. In other situations, Ive been the one slow to receive confirmation while others receive confirmation quickly. WE ARE ALL VOLUNTEERS. Prepare all the information you need from your device prior to the meeting and then see how it goes. The oft-used Cheshire Cat quotation comes to mind: Alice: Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here? At the hour mark, I politely excuse myself from the meeting. He works with the full-time and ward missionaries. The church does not operate on a volunteer basis. Ive tried to practice some of the things listed, but lately Ive felt like my meetings havent been as productive. If things were crazy at home and his family needed more attention, one quick text message would free up his evening; as a counselor, he didnt have that luxury. ' [https://byustudies.byu.edu/showtitle.aspx?title=6997] But in our case, its much less intrusive on the time of our members if we have a meeting that goes a little later instead of having an additional meeting that requires them to travel again. I promise it will keep the whole group more focused. This is not a step to take if a member simply expresses a dissenting idea! Love. And better listeners! Thank you. Deeply entrenched in LDS culture, teachings, and scripture is the concept of councils as a primary tool for accomplishing the work of the Church. So the next time you run into a less than perfect church leader, attend a less than perfect church meeting, dont get home taught on time, or members let you down on a ward service project think about What Would Jesus do in this situation and how would he react? I think these are some really reasonable tips to improve the efficiency of meetings, but the article is titled How to Make Ward Council a Revelatory Experience This list of dos and donts will help a meeting run smoother and prevent some of the roadblocks that bog down a meeting, but to have a meeting become a revelatory experience requires much more spiritual preparation on the part of those involved that what this list requires, which was the point of Elder Bednars remarks. Go out as Bishoprics, Presidencies, and go talk with the church members and bouy and cheer them up! Writing from his experiences as a husband, father, bishop, high councilor, general Sunday School board member, and stake president, the author adds his expertise as a professional sociologist to this serious look at what it would take to prepare the Saints, their families, and their wards for millennial living. I agree, but I challenge you to try it. Time becomes largely irrelevant when you are about the work of the Lord. They wondered where to look, how best to help, and which church members had the right interests, skills and resources to rescue. #11 Best Value of 2,333 places to stay in Gunzenhausen. They work together in love to serve and strengthen individuals and families in the ward or branch. I have sat in wonderment at some of the things said about people. My husband is serving as a counselor in a bishopric with a bishop that I dearly love. When we hold Stake PEC (high council), most of our high councilors drive from 30 to 75 minutes to be there. Both the article and the numerous comments have been enlightening and informative. It all seems a tad presumptuous that you should state unbreakable rules for church meetings. Unfortunately, I cannot agree with most of the things you have said. In 1989, Elder Boyd K. Packer warned young men and young women to avoid participating in dark spiritual practices, no matter the circumstances: "A warning: there is a dark side to spiritual things. I think it was this thread that put me into the zone seriously. However you do need to keep certain items confidential. Priesthood and auxiliary leaders attend ward council meetings in two capacities: (1) as ward council members who help the bishop address needs and concerns in the ward and find solutions, and (2) as representatives of their organizations. That will be the greatest contribution to having a revelatory experience. Learned that as an Officer in the US Army! Or Well, our 60 minute bishopric meeting has concluded. But last year, this favorite thing to do became a problem. Seems like gossip takes up most of the meeting. Below is an outline of how our council was inspired to restructure the agenda your council could use this as a template or a starting place. If you do not think that, Lord is it I?..look around the crowded room where everyone is smashed togetherhot, and uncomfortable. Im not crazy about that approach if you did. Kohai, Id love to have you do a review of the book and guest post on Leading Saints. They dont have to be the guidelines listed here (they are simply my point of view) but guidelines are important. Stake councils are held when excommunication is a possibility for a man ordained to the faith's Melchizedek Priesthood. We can't wait to see you in the morning! But he doesnt have to receive every jot and tittle of the revelation., Your email address will not be published. The ward council!. You will find that not much is impacted by fewermeetings. He comes to ward council meeting prepared to suggest ways members can improve learning and teaching at church and in their homes.. Great points! Soon after his call, he shared with me one day how different the feeling is to be a counselor to a presiding authority as opposed to being the presiding authority. If you need ideas to a problem, an activity, or whom to call to a position, ask people to prepare this in advance and bring the ideas to the meeting. The short story for me is to ignore the hyperbole of the article, and embrace the tips that make me a better meeting leader. I have and it might be more isolated to my experience in working with ward and stake leadership. The Lord has prepared ways for His children to be protected and loved, she thought. I have retired 15 years ago and we are on our second mission. After each council meeting, the bishopric would convene for a few minutes to discuss how things went, what went well, and what could be improved. They will connect with someone, somehow, that I cant. Not all wards need to do this, but if a ward needs to do blitzes, it should do blitzes. But if the meeting is consistently a revelatory experience, members of the ward councilwont dare miss it. #5 No tech is a mixed bag. Hotel Rose. Set it for 60 minutes and tell everyone in the room they are free to walk out once that timer sounds. No Round-Robin: Just because you are sitting in a circle doesnt mean you need to talk in a circle. The stake president moved things around so people werent out so late. [He] can also provide continuity between the ward council and the priesthood executive committee.. The primary work of the ward council takes place in living rooms where tears are shared and dried, and testimony is borne. Don't subscribe So all of that speaks to the spiritual nature of this work and seeking for the inspiration to do what the Lord wants us to do. However, even though Ive read Ballards book and the handbk of instructions maybe Ive missed something that youre hitting onWhile serving as a bishop I felt like it was my role to lead, out in suggestingnot demanding, not commanding, and not insisting (Elder Jay E. Jensen, BYU Speeches, Aug 16, 2011). Dont preach your personal preference as an absolute that others should follow. And time limits for each one! Some may argue over the details of what an agenda is. Heavenly father doent stop in the middle of our life cause the timer went off or say sorry cant help i already spent my 60 minites. I have attended meetings that were too long at 20 min and at 2hrs plus that were not too long. . Maybe what I am pulling from this isnt that people need to worry about time limits (yes they still do) .but need to be prepared. Assignments were made and we concluded as the timer in my pocket, set for 45 minmutes, buzzed. Ive served in the RS and primary presidencies for the last four years. I understand their concerns about rigidness and lack of adaptation and time limits supposedly ushering the spirit out the door and all sorts of other things. I have never considered the temptation of gossip in a longer meeting but it makes sense. Rather, it must be judged by its effect on the lives of those participating.". When I'm in my car running errands, going on trips - I love to sing along to country music. The tech I use helps me be a better leader, and not using it during meetings would make me much less efficient. I think you did the right thing. Id go to one of your meetings. The bishop isnt there to receive revelation; he is there to confirm revelation. The Career Workshop Participants Workbook (item no.35163) is available through store.lds.org, Distribution Services, or Church employment resource centers. And I have been in nice, succinct meetings that were a total waste of time. You cant rush the Lord. It was a very good meeting. Some of the info you provided is excellent. Im confident that If the First Presidency can decide whether someone excommunicated for polygamy can be rebaptized over a video conference that Ward Councils can figure it out as well. I dont believe the Spirit operates according to your unbreakable rules. We prayed and listened for answers, and they camethey always came. I also strongly object to the language you use in point #6. Once the bishop has sought inspiration on the base of a vision for his ward, and it is discussed, refined, augmented, and finally solidified by the Spirit in discussion with the bishopric council, it is ready to be taken to the ward council for their input and suggested improvements. I have never had the Bishopric, Elders Quorum Presidency, Relief Society Presidency, Primary Presidency, or High Priest Group Leader come to our home just to visit and say hi! I also think using email is a great way to help discuss items that dont require a formal meeting. #livingproof, if you think the lord has turned his back on you - turn around, Didi @ Relief Society: Your Wonderful Journey Home - 2013 General Young Women Meeting - Card, Everyone has a story| You can't have one with out the other and there has to be an inbetween to get you from point A to point B. The Young Men president seeks to strengthen the wards young men ages 12 through 18. People werent made for clocks; clocks were made for people. They attend all of the Ward Council or PEC Meetings themselves. Meetings in the Churchits a love/hate thing. Thank you for commenting. So, to go back to the earlier comment about too few meetings, I think that while we become more effective in any given time frame, a lot of us need to spend more time coaching and training and leading just maybe not with everyone in the room. Once a month, all ward council members and their counselors and secretaries gathered at the church. Church controls her membership, but Utah writer still sees herself as Mormon. ), The ward clerk keeps a record of assignments and decisions made during ward council meetings. Furthermore, improving ward council was a frequent topic in bishopric meeting. But I do think he spent most of his time healing others, blessing others, cheering up others, encouraging, motivating, forgiving, looking for the good in others, living the gospel, and spreading the gospel. Id love to hear any further thoughts you have. Another great resource on this concept is Elder Ballards book Counseling with our Councils.. Sure. So true. If you want to keep meetings on target and focused come prepared spiritually to discuss spiritual matters. The Primary president represents the children of the ward ages 18 months through 11 years. If few want to show up, it isnt a problem with those absent,its a problem with your leadership. I believe instead of always having meetings take the time and go visit and minister to the less active, sick, and non attending members of the church! And yet the church handbook used to say all quorum presidencies go visit your members at least annually. The bishops voice dominates the meeting because he is typically the only person who contributes to the agenda. Executive secretaries should prepare agendas in advance. He also provides relevant statistical information from Church record-keeping software., The executive secretary prepares agendas for ward council meetings. The bishopric is responsible for all ward members, organizations, and activities. Count Your Blessings. The Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts usually do this on a Saturday morning or afternoon and sit down with the Troop Committee/Scout Master and use a planning calendar. 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