January 12, 2011 bob saunders Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. pete June 11, 2003 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. Yes, Mickey had some great years with the Tigers, no disrespect to him, but acquiring him at the cost of Rusty was one of the Mets' top three bonehead trades. October 4, 2005 June 30, 2019 He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. April 30, 2009 I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Mr. Sparkle He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. Mike B October 4, 2005 Mickey loved his Harley. The point is he made a bad team worse. support. After one year in New York Lolich retired. December 8, 2006 July 15, 2016 He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. Peter He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Stacy Lolich and John Ellenbrook, 22, of Lake Orion were charged last July with stealing the items from her parents home in Washington, Mich. August 7, 2018 All he represents for me was one of the many horrendous choices the Mets have made over the years, always going after washed up has-beens past their prime. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. Al Really? Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. He had terrific stuff. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. Wood again went the distance, allowing just 2 runs. After one year in New York Lolich retired. Bob P Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Rusty played another decade. Mickey loved his Harley. Baseball burnt him out. August 11, 2015 Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. Jim Snedeker I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. February 27, 2002 They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. March 2, 2003 Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! I was 7 years old, listening to the Mets on the radio in the car with my mother. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. I had never heard my mother get so angry at a Mets player. support. April 30, 2009 When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Doug S. August 7, 2018 They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. But the facts are: Really? The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. Stu Baron An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Joe Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. Once the Tigers won in 84 I gave up on having a 2nd favorite because their win did nothing for me. Mickey liked his doughnuts. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. This has never happened before? Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. 170 lbs.? Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. Mickey Lolich (Michael Stephen Lolich) was born on 12 September, 1940 in Portland, Oregon, USA, is an Actor. Man, he was a big one. bob saunders senor ortiz Peter (thankfully returning in '81). McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. Raymond Malcuit Jr. July 15, 2016 But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. January 12, 2011 February 25, 2003 October 2, 2005 170 lbs.? He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Cut him some slack. He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). Ramblin' Pete Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. $105.00. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Raymond Malcuit Jr. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. I remember that the Daily News at the time would have a one-page section on Sunday that showed some of the athletes with their families away from the ballpark. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. Later inserted into the rotation by manager Bob Scheffing, Mickey earned his first win May 28 in Los Angeles against the Angels, going the distance. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. feat fan Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. I thought Rusty filled that uniform out pretty well himself! Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Fact is Lolich was always overweight. Cut him some slack. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. =Chuck= That would make him a star in today's market. Militello's Bakery. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. October 4, 2006 The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. October 19, 2011 Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. You can't be serious. April 23, 2003 April 27, 2013 His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. After the shooting he served guard duty at the White House. November 28, 2001 As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. No contest. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. Jamey Bumbalo October 18, 2008 October 18, 2008 Man, he was a big one. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. snook I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. June 30, 2019 feat fan 03 Dec 2022 22:30:00 Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. FREE SAME DAY DOMESTIC STANDARD SHIPPING on orders of $99.99 or more with coupon code "FREESHIP". Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. LA-Mets June 11, 2003 I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! Rusty played another decade. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. The point is he made a bad team worse. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. murphy Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. He started 45 games and completed 29. Anybody remember how Rusty looked those last few years in New York? As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. The point is he made a bad team worse. Jamey Bumbalo Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. Ramblin' Pete McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. July 15, 2016 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. September 25, 2013 June 2, 2006 March 18, 2001 I'm still not clear - he traded Mickey Lolich to improve team speed? His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. May 6, 2003 He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. Late 1930s was then purchased and ran by Gus Kalohn and his 2 sons Pete & Paul (Gus' Steakhouse) into the '80s. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Scrappy Lolich was giving one of his typical awful performances in a Mets uniform. Donut Shops Beverages Restaurants. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Mr. Sparkle C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. He spent a year with the Mets and his final two years with the Padres. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. July 15, 2016 June 2, 2006 John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. Not that THAT did squat for the Mets! I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. July 15, 2016 He had terrific stuff. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. You can't trade Rusty Staub without instantly improving team speed". The point is he made a bad team worse. 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