Cement
Source: Book of Mormon Wars
"Moroni's America" – The North American Setting for the Book of Mormon
The Book of Mormon in North America
"Moroni's America" – The North American Setting for the Book of Mormon
The Book of Mormon in North America
"Moroni's America" – The North American Setting for the Book of Mormon
The Book of Mormon in North America
Source: Book of Mormon Wars
Because chapter 7 is addressed to the Lamanites, many people ask who are the Lamanites in today’s world.
The Lord specifically identified them in D&C 28, 30 and 32. These are the Native American Indian tribes living in New York, Ohio, and Missouri (tribes who had been forced west from their native lands around the Great Lakes).
Strangely, but not surprisingly given Mesomania, the manual does not reference D&C 28, 30, and 32. Instead, it says this:
Read and discuss Mormon 7, which contains Mormon’s words to the latter-day descendants of Lehi. You may want to explain that latter-day descendants of Lehi are found among the people of North, Central, and South America and the Pacific Islands.
As the lesson manual points out, other prophets have commented on the presence of Lamanites in Latin America. I discuss that here:
http://bookofmormonwars.blogspot.com/2016/11/confusion-about-cumorah-lamanites-and.html
The important point to remember is that the presence of Lamanite ancestry among people living in Latin America today has nothing to do with the location of Cumorah 1600 years ago. Cumorah is in New York. Lamanites have interacted with other indigenous people throughout Latin America and the Pacific. While DNA shows that the Native Americans in the northeastern U.S. have non-Asian origins (unlike most native peoples in Latin America and the Pacific), there’s no reason to think Lamanite ancestry is more widely dispersed, albeit in relatively low concentrations outside the northeastern U.S.
Source: 2016 Gospel Doctrine Resource
Many people have embraced the New York Cumorah, but many still fight against it. There is still a month to go. Maybe it will happen, but there are a lot of holdouts among LDS scholars and educators.
Anecdotally, I know many Gospel Doctrine teachers have tried to offer alternatives to the standard teaching that the Book of Mormon took place in Central America (Mesoamerica). In many cases, they have faced opposition from people who have been taught a false tradition by LDS scholars and educators. The false tradition centers on the Hill Cumorah.
It’s not easy to overcome false traditions.
It has been said that human intellect is like a speck floating on a sea of emotion, and that’s what I see happening here. My only explanation for all the emotion involved with the Cumorah question is Mesomania, as I discuss on that blog here.
I’m still hopeful that LDS scholars and educators will align their teachings about Cumorah with the prophets and apostles, but so far it hasn’t happened, so we need to identify which traditions are false.
If you’ve been following the Cumorah question, you know that LDS scholars and educators who promote the Mesoamerican geography claim that the idea of Cumorah being in New York was a false tradition started by unknown persons early in the Church. They go on to claim that Joseph Smith simply adopted this false tradition and perpetuated it, along with all of his contemporaries, including his successors as Presidents of the Church.
You might find that unbelievable, but it’s true. If you want specific citations, I can provide them, but you don’t have to look far.
In fact, every time you read or hear something by modern LDS scholars and educators that connects the Book of Mormon events* to Mesoamerica (Central America), the author or speaker has repudiated the New York Cumorah and all the prophets and apostles who, they claim, have “perpetuated a false tradition.” You will find this at Book of Mormon Central, BYU Studies, the Maxwell Institute, Meridian Magazine, and all the rest. You will hear it in Sunday School and seminary and institute classes. You will hear it at BYU campuses.
The bottom line: these LDS scholars and educators claim they are correcting the prophets and apostles.
They, the scholars, think they are overcoming this false tradition by promoting the idea that Cumorah is actually in Mexico. Or Baja. Or Panama. Or Peru. Or Chile. Or anywhere else that is not in New York.
In some places, they are using abstract maps to avoid the New York Cumorah.
In my view, the false tradition we should be concerned about is the idea that Cumorah is not in New York. The most common alternative is the claim that Cumorah is in Mexico. This tradition was started in the 1920s, after everyone who personally knew Joseph Smith had passed on. This tradition was adopted by LDS scholars over the objection of of Joseph Fielding Smith and other prophets and apostles.
So the question now is, how do we overcome this false tradition about Cumorah in Mexico?
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I suggest three things:
1. Read Letter VII (Seven) and recognize how it was universally accepted by Joseph Smith and all of his contemporaries. I have lots of documentation on my Letter VII blog here:
http://www.lettervii.com/
2. Learn about the New York setting. Mesoamerican advocates claim the New York hill can’t be Cumorah for two reasons.
a. It doesn’t fit their interpretation of the text. When you go through their list of “requirements,” you see the requirements were designed to fit their Mesoamerican setting. They require volcanoes, for example, but the text never mentions volcanoes. When you read the text instead of the Mesoamerican scholars’ interpretation of the text, the New York site fits nicely–just as Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery said it did.
b. It is a “clean hill,” meaning there are no artifacts there. This rationale is based on the work of John Clark, a BYU archaeologist who published some cursory analyses of the archaeology that I’ve analyzed previously in this blog. It is often cited by the Mesoamerican scholars, who also outright ignore the accounts of people who actually worked at the Hill Cumorah and recovered boxes full of ancient war implements, as well as other accounts of farmers in the area who plowed up artifacts every year that they sold to tourists or kept in private collections.
There is lots of material here: http://moronisamerica.com/
3. Assess the scholarship of the Mesoamerican advocates. In this blog and in other forums, I’ve analyzed just a few of the dozens of articles, books and blogs on the topic, all of which are thoroughly dependent upon Mesomania. What I mean by that is if you already believe the Book of Mormon took place in Mesoamerica and you want your bias confirmed (i.e., you have Mesomania), the writings of the Mesoamerican advocates are great. They will definitely confirm your biases. But if you look at them objectively, they don’t make their case. Not even close. They use a series of logical fallacies and illusory correspondences that are easy to identify.
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The most important thing for you to keep in mind is that you are not required to accept what Mesoamerican scholars have been promoting for decades. Think for yourself. Read the Book of Mormon carefully and in the light of what the prophets and apostles have said in General Conference and in the scriptures.
Sooner or later, we will overcome the false tradition that Cumorah is not in New York.
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*There is a difference between saying people living in Latin America are Lamanites and saying Book of Mormon events took place in Mesoamerica. Because of migration, Lamanite ancestry could have spread from North America where the Book of Mormon events took place throughout Latin America.
Source: Book of Mormon Wars
Source: 2016 Gospel Doctrine Resource
I’ve mentioned before that a pamphlet of Oliver Cowdery’s letters to W.W. Phelps, including Letter VII, was published in England in January 1844. This is before Joseph Smith was assassinated. It was on sale in New York as early as August 10, 1844, when it was advertised in The Prophet under “Mormon Book Depository.”
It’s kind of fun to see what was on sale in New York City in August, 1844. Here is the list:
Where may be found, a general assortment of Books and Papers illustrative of the doctrine and faith of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, among which are the following:—
Prof. Orson Pratt’s Prophetic Almanac, for 1845.—price 4 dolls. per hundred, 56 cts. per doz, 6 cts. single.
A Treatise on the Fulness of the Everlasting Gospel.—per hundred $8—single 1 s.
P. P. Pratt’s reply to Le Roy Sunderland–$6. single 10 cts.
An appeal to the inhabitants of the State of New York; Letter to Queen Victoria; The Fountain of Knowledge; Immortality of the Body, and Intelligence and Affection, by P. P. Pratt. $8 per hund. 1 s. single.
The Testament of the twelve Patriarchs, the sons of Jacob.
Correspondence between Gen. Jos. Smith, Col. Wentworth, Gen. Jas. Arlington Bennet and Hon. J. C. Calhoun: $8 per hund. 1 s. single.
An interesting account of several remarkable visions. By O. Pratt. $6 per hundred 10 cts. single.
O. Cowdery’s letters to W. W. Phelps, on the origin of the Book of Mormon.
A History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day [Latter-day] Saints—by John Corrill a member of the Legislature of Missouri.
Synopsis of parallel passages in the Scripture. price 5s.
Gospel Reflector. $1.25.
Times & Seasons, bound. 2,00
History of the Priesthood, by Benj. Winchester. 25 cts.
Millen[n]ium, a poem by P. P. Pratt. price 50 cts.
Index to the Book of Mormon, 2nd edition: per hun. $2. sing. 6 cts.
Address to the People of the U. States: 25 cts. per hun.
Gospel Light—$2 per hundred, single 3 cts.
Gen. Jos. Smith’s views on the policy of Government; Appeal to the Green Mountain Boys; Correspondence between Gen. Smith, Col. Wentworth and J. C. Calhoun, and a Memorial to the Legislature of Missouri.—6 dolls. per hun. 1 s.
Prof. Orson Pratt’s Prophetic Almanac for 1845.—Calculated for the Eastern, Middle, and Western States and Territories, the Northern portions of the slave States, and British provinces, it contains much matter interesting to the Saints.
Orders, with cash remitted, for any of the above works, will be attended to with despatch [dispatch].
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The pamphlet of Cowdery’s letters is listed as item 197 in Peter Crawley’s indispensable work, A Descriptive Bibliography of the Mormon Church,1848–1852 (Provo, UT: Religious Studies Center, 1997), which is online here. Crawley notes it was published by Thomas Ward and John Cairns, and that they used Benjamin Winchester’s Gospel Reflector version as their source.
The pamphlet was advertised in the Millennial Star in February 1844 and November 1846. Crawley observes, “the European Mission financial records show that during 1847 the Millennial Star office sold about nine hundred copies at a wholesale price of 2d. each.”
This is 900 copies more than any other reprint of Letter VII until about a year ago, when my little book was published. We’ve sold far more than that (and Book of Mormon Central has had more views than that on their web page), but there were only 18,000 members of the Church in England at the time, and this was the third year the pamphlet was on sale. This gives a good idea of how much Oliver’s letters, including Letter VII, were in demand.
Let’s say a comparable number of Saints bought the pamphlet between 1844-1846, for a total of 3,600 in four years. Assuming one copy per family, and an average family size of 4, this would mean there were 4,500 LDS families in England in 1847.
In other words, 80% of the Saints bought the pamphlet of Oliver’s letters. 80% is ubiquitous by any definition.
Obviously, some of these might have been purchased for missionary purposes, but it’s also likely that the sales numbers were higher in the first year or two after publication.
Using the same assumptions about family sizes today, we have roughly 3.75 million families in the Church. (I know, family sizes are smaller now, but these are rough numbers). To reach the level of gospel literacy the British Saints had in 1847, there should be 3 million copies of these letters in the homes of the Saints today.
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Imagine if 80% of the families in the Church today were familiar with Letter VII. It’s not possible at present because Letter VII has never been translated, but we’re working on that.
If and when 80% of today’s membership reaches the same level of awareness as the people did during Joseph’s lifetime, the Mesoamerican theory would be a faint memory.
Actually, it would never have gotten off the ground.
Source: Letter VII
🙂
We regularly have visitors from around the world, including Singapore, India, and parts of Africa and South America. The Aussies and Kiwis have represented, as have the Russians.
Next spring we’ll be doing conferences in France and the UK. I’ll announce the dates in January. I wish we could get to Ireland.
Actually, if the Irish keep beating the English in page views, maybe we’ll visit Dublin instead of London.
🙂
Source: Book of Mormon Wars
We here at BookofMormonCentralAmerica know Cumorah is not in New York.
To clarify our position, we put together this table of authorities to help explain whom you should trust.
People who perpetuate a false tradition about Cumorah being in New York
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People who teach the truth
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Joseph Smith
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LDS scholars who promote a Mesoamerican setting for the Book of Mormon
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Oliver Cowdery
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LDS scholars who promote a Baja Californian setting for the Book of Mormon
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David Whitmer
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LDS scholars who promote a Panamanian setting for the Book of Mormon
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Lucy Mack Smith
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LDS scholars who promote a Peruvian setting for the Book of Mormon
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Brigham Young
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LDS scholars who promote a Chilean setting for the Book of Mormon
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John Taylor
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Heber C. Kimball
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Wilford Woodruff
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Orson Pratt
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Parley P. Pratt
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Joseph F. Smith
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Heber J. Grant
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George Albert Smith
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Joseph Fielding Smith
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Marion G. Romney
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Mark E. Peterson
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True, there are some disagreements among LDS scholars in the right column, but they all agree on one thing: The Hill Cumorah cannot be in New York!
The best way for you to steer clear of the people in the left column is to stick with Book of Mormon Central. They run a wonderful website that frequently reinforces the non-New York Cumorah. Here’s the link: https://bookofmormoncentral.org/
Be sure to read the Interpreter, Meridian Magazine, BMAF.org, FairMormon, the Maxwell Institute, BYU Studies, and other web pages affiliated with Book of Mormon Central. Don’t read anything that contradicts or challenges the consensus of LDS scholars and educators who have been properly trained in the Mesoamerican ministry.
Source: About Central America
[For those new to this blog, Mesomania refers to the psychology behind the Mesoamerican setting for the Book of Mormon, which prompts people to continue to insist that Cumorah is in southern Mexico.]
This is my last trigger warning. Anyone who has Mesomania and wants to retain it should stop reading this blog, my other blogs, my web pages, and my books. Stick with Book of Mormon Central, the Interpreter, BMAF, FairMormon, and other sites that will safely confirm your biases.
I’m writing for people who are not obsessed with the Mesoamerican setting and want to know more about Church history and Book of Mormon topics without the filter of Mesomania.
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I’m trying to keep topics organized, so I posted a comment about Mesomania on the Mesomania blog, here: http://mormonmesomania.blogspot.com/2016/11/scholars-prophets-keep-getting-it-wrong.html
LDS scholars are sticking to their guns, insisting the prophets and apostles are perpetuating a false tradition while they, the scholars, are teaching the truth. It’s unbelievable, but that’s the reality of it. Mesomania is powerful psychology.
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Separately, I commented on another 1844 reprinting of Letter VII on my Letter VII blog at this link: http://www.lettervii.com/2016/11/letter-vii-in-prophet.html
If you don’t have Mesomania, you will discover an interesting detail of Church history at the link.
Source: Book of Mormon Wars
Few Latter-day Saints are familiar with the LDS newspaper published in New York City during 1844-5 titled The Prophet. William Smith was the editor from June 29 through November 16, 1844.
I mentioned The Prophet in The Lost City of Zarahemla, and I have more discussion of it in my upcoming book titled The Editors: Joseph, William and Don Carlos Smith.
For now, I find it interesting that Letter VII was reprinted in The Prophet in the first issue William Smith edited, which was published on June 29, 1844.
Of course, this was just two days after Joseph Smith was killed in Carthage. The people in New York did not learn about his martyrdom for a while. In the July 13, 1844 edition, William relates some of the accounts that were circulating, but he dismisses them when he writes, “We do not believe the report of the death of our Brethren, and shall leave the matter until we get intelligence from the Saints in the West.”
I’m sure it’s merely a coincidence, but it is interesting that Letter VII was published to the world in New York within 2 days of Joseph’s death. This means it was likely being printed at the time of the martyrdom.
Now we have Letter VII in these publications:
Messenger and Advocate (Kirtland)
Gospel Reflector (Philadelphia)
Times and Seasons (Nauvoo)
The Prophet (New York City)
Improvement Era (Salt Lake City)
So far, it has not shown up in the Ensign. Maybe some day?
Of course, if you have Mesomania, these reprints of Letter VII are misleading the Saints by perpetuating the false rumor started by Oliver Cowdery and Joseph Smith that Cumorah really was in New York.
Many of those who have recovered from Mesomania have done so because of Letter VII. If you haven’t read Letter VII yet, you owe it to yourself to do so ASAP.
Source: Letter VII
Source: Book of Mormon Wars