Basic psychology – new pages

Because I think basic psychology is the greatest impediment to thinking clearly about Book of Mormon historicity, I’ve created separate pages on this blog for my posts about psychology and M2C.

This is a resource you can use and refer people to.

You can see the pages on the upper right of the main page on your computer screen.

The mobile version requires you to click on Home to see all the pages (or go to web version).

Here are the direct links that you can share:

http://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/p/psychology-of-central-american-theory.html

http://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/p/confirmation-bias-and-evidence.html

http://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/p/where-bias-originates.html

http://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/p/curing-confirmation-bias.html

Source: About Central America

Conference report and new M2C logo

The Book of Mormon Evidence Conference last week was amazing. People had a good time and learned a lot. Many ideas exchanged, etc. There were serious topics and discussions, all in a spirit of love and kindness and optimism.

If you missed it, the presentations should be available in the near future. I highly recommend them.

I made some announcements at the conference that I’ll cover eventually on this blog. Exciting stuff.

There was some discussion about the M2C hoax (M2C being the acronym for the Mesoamerican/Two Cumorahs theory of Book of Mormon geography).

Because M2C is a hoax, one of the attendees suggested a new logo for M2C. It was a fun idea, so here it is.

Source: Book of Mormon Wars

Where will this lead?

There are lots of great things to discuss out of General Conference, but I’m traveling so I only have time for a quick note.

President Oaks asked a thought-provoking question.

“As we make current decisions, we should always be asking, ‘Where will this lead?'”

As we think about this in the context of Book of Mormon studies, we can ask ourselves a related question:

What is the inevitable long-term consequence of teaching the youth of the Church that the best way to understand the Book of Mormon setting is by putting it an imaginary, fantasy world of mythology?

The map is designed to teach the M2C interpretation of the text.

It seems to me that as CES and BYU imprint this fantasy map on the minds of the youth, the youth (and new converts) will think of the Book of Mormon in such terms.

It’s no wonder that millennials report a decreasing belief that the Book of Mormon is actual history.

We can also ask “Where will this lead?” in the context of Church history.

The Saints book deliberately changed Church history regarding the Hill Cumorah to accommodate M2C.

Eventually, Church members will learn what the prophets have taught about the New York Cumorah. But they won’t learn it in Church settings, which will cause them to become confused and disturbed in their faith.

Think of how much better it would be for members of the Church to learn what the prophets have taught in the first place. But instead, those teachings are being censored, solely to accommodate M2C.

Where will this lead? 

Source: Book of Mormon Wars

Conference Classic – "America’s Destiny"

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1975/10/americas-destiny?lang=eng

America’s Destiny

My beloved brothers and sisters, I invite you to join in a prayer that while I speak you and I may both enjoy the Spirit. I will give you a lesson today that the Lord has taken great pains to bring to us.
Among the questions frequently raised in connection with our upcoming national bicentennial is “Can we maintain our basic freedoms, peace, and prosperity for another 200 years?”
The answer to this question is yes, if we shall individually repent and conform to the laws of the God of this land, who is Jesus Christ.
He has stated the basics of his laws in the Ten Commandments, the Sermon on the Mount, and in the two great commandments:
“Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. …
“And … thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” (Matt. 22:37, 39.)
Millennia ago he declared: “There shall none come into this land [he was speaking of America] save they shall be brought by the hand of the Lord.
“… this land is consecrated unto him whom he shall bring. And if it so be that they shall serve him according to the commandments which he hath given, it shall be a land of liberty unto them.” (2 Ne. 1:6–7.)
Another ancient prophet said,
“This is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be free from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ.” (Ether 2:12.)
It is my purpose in making these remarks to point out from the record of ancient inhabitants of America that the foregoing decrees have been carried out.
In the western part of the state of New York near Palmyra is a prominent hill known as the “hill Cumorah.” (Morm. 6:6.) On July twenty-fifth of this year, as I stood on the crest of that hill admiring with awe the breathtaking panorama which stretched out before me on every hand, my mind reverted to the events which occurred in that vicinity some twenty-five centuries ago—events which brought to an end the great Jaredite nation.
You who are acquainted with the Book of Mormon will recall that during the final campaign of the fratricidal war between the armies led by Shiz and those led by Coriantumr “nearly two millions” of Coriantumr’s people had been slain by the sword; “two millions of mighty men, and also their wives and their children.” (Ether 15:2.)
As the conflict intensified, all the people who had not been slain—men “with their wives and their children” (Ether 15:15)—gathered about that hill Cumorah (see Ether 15:11).
“The people who were for Coriantumr were gathered together to the army of Coriantumr; and the people who were for Shiz were gathered together to the army of Shiz. …
“Both men women and children being armed with weapons of war … did march forth one against another to battle; and they fought all that day, and conquered not.
“And it came to pass that when it was night they were weary, and retired to their camps; and … took up a howling and a lamentation for the loss of the slain of their people.” (Ether 15:13, 15–16.)
This routine was repeated day after day until “they had all fallen by the sword, save it were Coriantumr and Shiz.” Shiz himself “had fainted with the loss of blood.
“And it came to pass that when Coriantumr had leaned upon his sword, [and] rested a little, he smote off the head of Shiz.
“And it came to pass that after he had smitten off the head of Shiz, that Shiz raised upon his hands and fell; and after that he had struggled for breath, he died.
“And it came to pass that Coriantumr fell to the earth, and became as if he had no life.” (Ether 15:29–32.)
Thus perished at the foot of Cumorah the remnant of the once mighty Jaredite nation, of whom the Lord had said, “There shall be none greater … upon all the face of the earth.” (Ether 1:43.)
As I contemplated this tragic scene from the crest of Cumorah and viewed the beautiful land of the Restoration as it appears today, I cried in my soul, “How could it have happened?”
The answer came immediately as I remembered that some fifteen to twenty centuries before their destruction, as the small group of their ancestors was being divinely led from the tower of Babel, the Lord “would that they should come forth even unto [this] land of promise, which was choice above all other lands, which the Lord God had preserved for a righteous people.
“And he had sworn in his wrath unto the brother of Jared [their prophet-leader], that whoso should possess this land … from that time henceforth and forever, should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them.
“And now, we can behold the decrees of God concerning this land,” wrote the ancient prophet-historian, “that it is a land of promise; and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall serve God, or they shall be swept off when the fulness of his wrath shall come upon them. And the fulness of his wrath cometh upon them when they are ripened in iniquity.
“For behold, this is a land which is choice above all other lands; wherefore he that doth possess it shall serve God or shall be swept off; for it is the everlasting decree of God.” (Ether 2:7–10.)
Pursuant to this decree concerning the land of America, the Jaredites were swept off in the manner we have reviewed, because, rebelling against the laws of Jesus Christ—the God of the land—they “ripened in iniquity.”
Nor were they the only people who anciently were divinely led to this choice land to grow in righteousness to be a mighty nation and then to deteriorate in wickedness until they ripened in iniquity and were, pursuant to God’s decree, swept off.
I emphasize “divinely led” because, as above indicated, the Lord told them that they were being so led, and “that there shall none come into this land save they shall be brought by the hand of the Lord.
“Wherefore, this land is consecrated unto him whom he shall bring. And if it so be that they shall serve him according to the commandments which he hath given, it shall be a land of liberty unto them; wherefore, they shall never be brought down into captivity; if so, it shall be because of iniquity; for if iniquity shall abound cursed shall be the land for their sakes, but unto the righteous it shall be blessed forever.” (2 Ne. 1:6–7.)
This second civilization to which I refer, the Nephites, flourished in America between 600 B.C. and A.D. 400. Their civilization came to an end for the same reason, at the same place, and in the same manner as did the Jaredites’. From the account of their death struggle, I quote:
“And now,” says Mormon, their historian, “I finish my record concerning the destruction of my people, the Nephites. And it came to pass that we did march forth before the Lamanites … to the land of Cumorah. … And when … we had gathered in all the remainder of our people unto the land of Cumorah, … my people, with their wives and their children, did … behold the armies of the Lamanites marching towards them; and with that awful fear of death which fills the breasts of all the wicked, did they await to receive them.
“And it came to pass that they did fall upon my people with the sword, and with the bow, and with the arrow, and with the ax, and with all manner of weapons of war.
“And it came to pass that my men were hewn down, yea, even my ten thousand who were with me, and I fell wounded in the midst; and they passed by me that they did not put an end to my life.
“And when they had gone through and hewn down all my people save it were twenty and four of us, (among whom was my son Moroni) and we having survived the dead of our people, did behold on the morrow … from the top of the hill Cumorah, [230,000] of my people who were hewn down, …
“Even all my people, save it were those twenty and four who were with me, and also a few who had escaped into the south countries, and a few who had dissented over unto the Lamanites, had fallen. …
“And my soul was rent with anguish, … and I cried:
“O ye fair ones, how could ye have departed from the ways of the Lord! … How could ye have rejected that Jesus, who stood with open arms to receive you!
“Behold, if ye had not done this, ye would not have fallen. …
“O ye fair sons and daughters, ye fathers and mothers, ye husbands and wives, … how is it that ye could have fallen! …
“O that ye had repented before this great destruction had come upon you.” (Morm. 6:1, 4, 5, 7, 9–11, 15–19, 22.)
Moroni a little later wrote:
“Behold I, Moroni, do finish the record of my father, Mormon. …
“… after the great and tremendous battle at Cumorah, … the Nephites who had escaped into the country southward were hunted by the Lamanites, until they were all destroyed.
“And my father also was killed by them, and I even remain alone to write the sad tale of the destruction of my people.” (Morm. 8:1–3.)
The tragic fate of the Jaredite and the Nephite civilizations is proof positive that the Lord meant it when he said that this “is a land of promise; and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall serve God, or they shall be swept off when the fulness of his wrath shall come upon them. And the fulness of his wrath cometh upon them when they are ripened in iniquity.” (Ether 2:9.)
This information, wrote Moroni, addressing himself to us who today occupy this land, “cometh unto you, O ye Gentiles” (now, Gentiles is the term used by the Book of Mormon prophets to refer to the present inhabitants of America and to the peoples of the old world from which they came), “[this] cometh unto you, O ye Gentiles, that ye may know the decrees of God—that ye may repent, and not continue in your iniquities until the fulness come, that ye may not bring down the fulness of the wrath of God upon you as the inhabitants of the land have hitherto done.
“Behold, this is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be free from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ.” (Ether 2:11–12.)
In 1492, in harmony with the Lord’s statement heretofore quoted, “that there shall none come into this land save they shall be brought by the hand of the Lord” (2 Ne. 1:6), Columbus was divinely led to America.
Away back between 590 and 600 years B.C., Nephi, looking in vision down the stream of time, “beheld a man among the Gentiles [that is, among the nations of Europe], who was separated from [this promised land] by the many waters; and I beheld,” said he, “the Spirit of God, that it came down and wrought upon the man; and he went forth upon the many waters, even unto … the promised land.
“And it came to pass that I beheld the Spirit of God, that it wrought upon other Gentiles; and they went forth … upon the many waters.
“And it came to pass that I beheld many multitudes of the Gentiles upon the land of promise.” (1 Ne. 13:12–14.)
Columbus himself corroborated the fact that he was divinely led to this land.
“In the royal presence of Isabella, Irving [his biographer] says: ‘He unfolded his plans with eloquence and zeal for he felt himself, as he afterwards declared, kindled as with a fire from on high, and considered himself the agent chosen of heaven to accomplish the grand design. …
“His son Fernando, in the biography of his father quotes him as saying on one occasion: ‘God gave me the faith and afterwards the courage so that I was quite willing to undertake the journey.’
“And the will of Columbus reads:
“ ‘In the name of the … holy trinity, who inspired me with the idea and afterwards made it perfectly clear to me that I could navigate and go to the Indies from Spain, by traversing the ocean westward.’ ” (Nephi Lowell Morris, Prophecies of Joseph Smith and Their Fulfillment,Deseret Book, 1945, pp. 289, 294–95; italics added.)
Because Columbus was led, we are here in this choice land.
God gave us victory in the Revolutionary War. We are indebted to him for our nation’s independence. He has prospered us in every righteous endeavor. He established the Constitution of the United States “by the hands of wise men whom [he] raised up unto this very purpose.” (D&C 101:80.)
He himself with his Beloved Son appeared to the Prophet Joseph Smith to open a new dispensation of the gospel of Jesus Christ here in this land. He has established his Church here and has sent and is sending representatives thereof into every nook and corner of the land—and as far as possible to all the earth—to declare and teach the laws of Jesus Christ, the God of this land.
He has revealed anew and repeated over and over again the ancient decree: “This is a land which is choice above all other lands; wherefore he that doth possess it shall serve God or shall be swept off; for it is the everlasting decree of God” concerning this land. (Ether 2:10.)
This knowledge has been revealed to us that we “may know the decrees of God—that [we] may repent, and not continue in [our] iniquities until the fulness come, that [we] may not bring down the fulness of the wrath of God upon [us] as the inhabitants of the land have hitherto done.” (Ether 2:11.)
We are living in the dispensation of the fulness of times, which will be climaxed by the second advent of the Lord Jesus Christ. Concerning the approach of that event and what is in store for the inhabitants of the earth between now and then, the Lord said 144 years ago:
“The wrath of God shall be poured out upon the wicked without measure. …
“Wherefore the voice of the Lord is unto the ends of the earth, that all that will hear may hear.”
And this is his message: “Prepare ye, prepare ye for that which is to come, for the Lord is nigh;
“And the anger of the Lord is kindled, and his sword is bathed in heaven, and it shall fall upon the inhabitants of the earth. …
“The hour is not yet, but is nigh at hand, when peace shall be taken from the earth, and the devil shall have power over his own dominion.
“And also the Lord shall have power over his saints, and shall reign in their midst, and shall come down in judgment upon … the world.” (D&C 1:9, 11–13, 35–36.)
Now my beloved brethren and sisters everywhere, both members of the Church and nonmembers, I bear you my personal witness that I know that the things I have presented to you today are true—both those pertaining to past events and those pertaining to events yet to come. The issue we face is clear and well defined. The choice is ours. The question is: Shall we of this dispensation repent and obey the laws of the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ, or shall we continue to defy them until we ripen in iniquity?
That we will repent and obey and thereby qualify to receive the blessings promised to the righteous in this land, I humbly pray in the name of Jesus Christ, our Redeemer. Amen.

Source: Book of Mormon Wars

A positive step? I hope so.

Readers tell me that BMAF has changed its corporate mission. This is a nice step in the right direction–I hope.

It’s nice to see a sort of olive branch extended just before General Conference, so I wanted to recognize it and remind readers here that I like and respect the people affiliated with BMAF and its subsidiaries and affiliates. Everyone has good intentions and wants to share the Book of Mormon.

I think we can all work together. All it takes is a mutual commitment to full disclosure and tolerance of others’ views.

Maybe we can all remember what President Nelson said about how good inspiration is based upon good information–a powerful indictment of censorship.

https://presidentnelsonspeaks.blogspot.com/2018/11/good-inspiration-and-good-information.html
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Before we look at the change at BMAF (in the table below), we need to consider some context.
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Despite what this logo claims, Book of Mormon Central is a subsidiary of BMAF (Book of Mormon Archaeological Forum). BMAF.org has long been a promoter of M2C (the Mesoamerican/two-Cumorahs theory) and their web page still archives some of the articles that attracted my attention to this topic in the first place.

Years ago, I was a strong believer and supporter of M2C. After all, I had been educated by CES and BYU, which means I didn’t know what the prophets had taught about the New York Cumorah.

Just like today’s youth in the Church, I was a victim of M2C censorship.

Just like today’s fine young scholars employed by Book of Mormon Central, I trusted my mentors and BYU professors who taught M2C as the only possible explanation for the Book of Mormon.

I used to read all the FARMS materials. I attended conferences and lectures. I viewed everything through the M2C filter and confirmed all my biases. I worked with an archaeologist who did early peer reviews of John Sorenson’s book, An Ancient American Setting for the Book of Mormon. I visited sites in Mesoamerica. I was “all in” on M2C.

Then I noticed that FARMS was resorting to logical fallacies, such as ad hominem attacks on critics, including critics of M2C who were good members of the Church. I read some of the articles (they are still archived on bmaf.org) and thought to myself, “this is nonsense.”

It struck me that FARMS had devolved into pure advocacy. It was anti-scientific. The more I re-examined the material, the more I realized I had been duped by a hoax. The M2C hoax.
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FARMS was eventually merged into the Maxwell Institute, where it was defanged. But the principles just changed venue. They formed new organizations: the Interpreter Foundation, which publishes the Interpreter journal and Book of Mormon Central, a multi-million dollar organization that operates the web page and spreads M2C on social media.

Book of Mormon Central still uses the old FARMS logo that incorporates M2C (a Mayan glyph).

Both organizations started with lofty promises of openness and diversity, but like FARMS, both devolved quickly into advocacy organizations. They promoted M2C exclusively–and still do. They still resort to the same logical fallacies. They claim their work is “peer reviewed” but both terms are misleading. The only “peers” they run the material by are like-minded M2C advocates, and the only “review” they conduct is to assure compliance with the M2C orthodoxy. For examples, you can see my blog that looks at a few.
http://interpreterpeerreviews.blogspot.com/

Except now they raise and spend millions of dollars to promote M2C. Their employees are active on social media. They claim the support of the prophets and the Church, in direct violation of the Gospel Topics Essay on Book of Mormon Geography. They coordinate with BYU Studies and Meridian Magazine, the Maxwell Institute, and other organizations to promote M2C and enforce censorship of alternatives, including (especially) the teachings of the prophets about the New York Cumorah.
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There have been moments of hope, however. Early on, I offered to let Book of Mormon Central put the first edition of my book, Letter VII, on its web page for free. They accepted because they recognized it was accurate Church history. Of course, Letter VII establishes the New York Cumorah as a fact, which contradicts that basic premise of M2C. By including the book in their archive, they took a step towards openness and diversity of thought.

But after a while, Book of Mormon Central removed Letter VII from its archive. They replaced it with a “Kno-Why” telling readers why they should distrust Oliver Cowdery and all the prophets and apostles who have reaffirmed the New York Cumorah.

It’s the worst of FARMS all over again.

Years ago, I agreed with the M2C scholars that, in the interests of harmony, I would delete this blog if they would stop their censorship and remove their material that attacked alternatives to M2C. My offer remains open. I like and respect the M2C scholars. They are great people. I admire all their work apart from M2C advocacy.

About 90% of what is on the Book of Mormon Central web page is great material. I use their archive material all the time and I encourage others to use it.

(The Interpreter, by contrast, is hopeless. The name itself gives away the editorial conceit; i.e., the intellectuals there purport to interpret everything for their readers. There are very few Interpreter articles that I could recommend, which is a shame because with a little legitimate peer review, much of that material could be salvaged and become useful.)

However, the M2C advocates at Book of Mormon Central have doubled down on the M2C hoax, as we all see when we look at their web page. They could easily add some comparison tables, such as the one at the end of this post. They could put material in their archives that supports, instead of repudiates, the teachings of the prophets about the New York Cumorah.

So far, they’ve refused. But maybe they’re getting the message that insisting on M2C to the exclusion of everything else is not the best way to share the Book of Mormon.

Maybe they will decide to trust members of the Church to make informed decisions.

Maybe they’ll recognize President Nelson’s message that good inspiration is based upon good information.

I hope so.
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Which brings us to the change at BMAF.org.

They recently modified their Mission Statement page to portray an image of openness and diversity.

It’s not much, but it is a step in the right direction. Whether it will produce any substantive changes remains to be seen.

Old
New (2019)
MISSION STATEMENT
The Book of Mormon Archaeological Forum (BMAF) is a 501(c)(3) not for profit organization dedicated as an open forum for presentation, dissemination, and discussion of research and evidences regarding Book of Mormon archaeology, anthropology, geography and culture within a Mesoamerican context.
MISSION STATEMENT
The Book of Mormon Archaeological Forum (BMAF) is a 501(c)(3) not for profit organization dedicated as an open forum for presentation, dissemination, and discussion of research and evidences regarding Book of Mormon archaeology, anthropology, geography and culture within Mesoamerican and other ancient contexts. 
Our goals are
The specific and primary purposes of the organization are:
(1) to increase understanding of the Book of Mormon as an ancient Mesoamerican codex,
(1) to increase understanding of the Book of Mormon as an ancient book or codex,
(2) to correlate and publish works of LDS and CofC scholars,
(2) (a) to conduct archaeological, scientific, historical, sociological, anthropological and other research in the public interest in the areas of the peoples, places, and cultures described in The Book of Mormon, and/or (b) provide opportuities [sic] for the announcement, discussion, publication, distribution and other debate and dissemination to the general public with such research being in furtherance of the public welfare. 
(3) to help promote unity and cooperation among scholars and students of the Book of Mormon, and 
(3) to help promote unity and cooperation among scholars and students of the Book of Mormon, 
(4) to provide a forum where responsible scholars can present current ideas and discoveries. 
(4) to provide a forum where responsible scholars can present current ideas and discoveries.

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The comparison charts below allow readers to decide which approach aligns with their personal beliefs. Such a chart avoids the problem of censorship. By enabling informed decisions, the charts fulfill the purpose of the Church’s position of neutrality that recognizes individual freedom to choose what to believe.

When I posted this in August 2016, I tried to make it completely neutral and accurate, and I solicited comment. No one offered any corrections or changes, so I assume it remains valid. Of course, both sides could edit it as they see fit.

Publishing this would reflect the intellectual honesty, openness and cooperation that ought to prevail at Book of Mormon Central. Let me know if you see it posted there. 
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Agree and Agree-to-Disagree lists

Here’s my first look at areas in which the two theories agree and agree to disagree. I’ve tried to reflect both sides as accurately as possible. If anyone has more or different ideas, I’m open to editing this. In the interest of simplicity, I haven’t provided links, but the material is widely available. Post a comment or email me if you want to know more about a particular item.
Proposition
M2C
Moroni’s America
1. The most important aspect of the Book of Mormon is its message.
Agree
Agree
2. The Book of Mormon is an inspired translation of an actual ancient record of actual people who lived in the real world.
Agree
Agree
3. The ultimate objective of our research/writing is to motivate people to read the Book of Mormon and strengthen their faith in Christ as a result.
Agree
Agree
4. Another objective of our research/writing is to help people better understand the text of the book by understanding its setting, culture and context.
Agree
Agree
5. The Church has no official position on where Book of Mormon events took place.
Agree
Agree
6. In Letter VII, Oliver Cowdery identified the valley west of the Hill Cumorah in New York as the location of the final battles of the Nephites and Jaredites.
Agree
Agree
7. Joseph Smith instructed his scribes to copy Oliver’s letters, including Letter VII, into his journal as part of his life story.
Agree
Agree
8. Joseph Smith gave permission to Benjamin Winchester to republish Oliver’s letters, including Letter VII, in his newspaper called the Gospel Reflector
Agree
Agree
9. Don Carlos republished Oliver’s letters, including Letter VII, in the 1842 Church newspaper called the Times and Seasons (T&S).
Agree
Agree
10. On Sept. 9, 1841, Dr. Bernhisel gave Wilford Woodruff a copy of the Stephens’ popular archaeology books about Central America to give to Joseph Smith
Agree
Agree
11. On Nov. 5, 1841, Wilford Woodruff wrote a letter to Dr. Bernhisel that is not extant.
Agree
Agree
12. A thank-you letter dated Nov. 16, 1841, was sent to Bernhisel on Joseph Smith’s behalf. No one knows who wrote the letter because the handwriting remains unidentified and no journals mention it.
Agree
Agree
13. A series of editorials were published in the T&S during 1842 that linked the Book of Mormon to archaeological findings in North and Central America. They cited the Stephens books and archaeology books by Josiah Priest. All were published either anonymously or over the signature of Ed. for Editor.
Agree
Agree
14. From February 15 through October 15, 1842, the boilerplate of the T&S said the paper was edited, printed, and published by Joseph Smith.
Agree
Agree
15. Joseph Smith originally obtained the plates from a stone box Moroni constructed out of stone and cement in the Hill Cumorah in New York.
Agree
Agree
16. Brigham Young said Oliver told him that he (Oliver) and Joseph had made at least two visits to a room in the Hill Cumorah in New York that contained piles of records and ancient Nephite artifacts.
Agree
Agree
17. Mormon said he buried all the Nephite records in the Hill Cumorah (Morm. 6:6), the scene of the final battles of the Nephites, except he kept out the plates he gave to his son Moroni to finish the record.
Agree
Agree
18. D&C 128:20 reads, “And again, what do we hear? Glad tidings from Cumorah! Moroni, an angel from heaven, declaring the fulfilment of the prophets—the book to be revealed,” followed by references to other events that took place in New York.
Agree
Agree
19. The geography passages in the Book of Mormon are subject to a variety of interpretations.
Agree
Agree
20. To date, apart from Moroni’s stone box and the plates and other objects Joseph Smith possessed and showed to the Witnesses, no artifact or archaeological site that can be directly linked to the Book of Mormon has been found anywhere.
Agree
Agree
21. Cultural characteristics can be discerned from the text.
Agree
Agree
22. The New Jerusalem Ether wrote about is located in Jackson County, Missouri.
Agree
Agree
23. Mayan civilization collapsed around 800 A.D. and Mayans migrated to North America, where they lived for several hundred years before returning to Central America.
Agree
Agree
24. The Newark Ohio earthworks are the largest earthworks in the world and demonstrate knowledge of astronomy and geometry.
Agree
Agree
25. There were a million ancient mounds in North America before the Europeans arrived.
Agree
Agree
26. There are two million skeletons buried in mounds in Illinois alone.
Agree
Agree
27. As an Apostle and Church Historian, Joseph Fielding Smith said the two-Cumorah theory caused members to become confused and disturbed in their faith in the Book of Mormon. He reiterated this when he was President of the Quorum of the Twelve in the 1950s in his book Doctrines of Salvation.
Agree
Agree
28. The land of Zarahemla is north of the land of Nephi and lower in elevation than the land of Nephi.
Agree
Agree
And here’s where we agree to disagree. Everyone can choose which position he/she agrees with on each topic. Other ideas are also fine.
Topic
M2C
Moroni’s America
1. Location of the Hill Cumorah
The hill in New York had nothing to do with ancient Nephites or Jaredites (apart from Moroni traveling to the area). The real Hill Cumorah which contains Mormon’s repository of records and was the scene of the final battles is elsewhere.
The hill in New York is the actual Hill Cumorah/Ramah where both the Nephites and the Jaredites were destroyed.  It also contained Mormon’s repository of the Nephite records.
2. Two-Cumorah theory described
There are two Cumorahs. The one in New York where Joseph Smith found the plates was just the place where Moroni buried his record. Unknown early Mormons gave this hill the name Cumorah and Joseph Smith later adopted this tradition. The real Cumorah where Mormon deposited the Nephite records is the scene of the final battles and it is in Mesoamerica.
There is only one Cumorah and it is in New York.
3. Joseph Fielding Smith’s comments on the two-Cumorah theory
Joseph Fielding Smith’s criticisms of the two-Cumorah theory are invalid because 50 years ago, someone heard a BYU professor say Pres. Smith told him he could teach whatever he wanted about Cumorah.
Joseph Fielding Smith’s criticisms of the two-Cumorah theory are valid, have caused and continue to cause members to become confused and disturbed in their faith of the Book of Mormon.
4. Oliver Cowdery’s Letter VII
Oliver Cowdery was speculating and was factually wrong about the New York location of the Hill Cumorah.
Oliver Cowdery stated a fact about the New York Cumorah based on his own experience in Mormon’s repository as related to Brigham Young and others.
5. Anonymous T&S article, Sept/Oct 1842
The articles linking the Book of Mormon to Central America were written, or at least approved by, Joseph Smith
The articles linking the Book of Mormon to Central America were not written, approved of, or even seen by Joseph Smith prior to publication
6. T&S Editor
Joseph was a hands-on editor of the T&S
Joseph was a nominal editor only. The paper was actually edited by William Smith and/or W.W. Phelps.
7. Book of Mormon overall geography
The text describes an overall hourglass shape.
The text does not describe an overall hourglass shape. Instead, Cumorah is a pin in the map in New York and Zarahemla is a pin in the map in Iowa.
8. Setting in Central America vs. North America
The description in the text best fits someplace in Central America, including Guatemala and Mexico.
The description in the text best fits North America, from Florida to New York and west to Missouri and Iowa.
9. Cultural elements in the text
The text describes an ancient Mesoamerican culture. Towers in the text refer to massive stone pyramids. Horses may be tapirs. The Nephites sacrificed agouti or other large rodents.
The text describes an ancient North American culture. Towers in the text refer to wooden towers. Horses are horses. The Nephites strictly observed the Law of Moses, including species.
10. Joseph Smith’s knowledge
Joseph did not leave a first-hand record of a revelation about Book of Mormon geography, so he had no revelation or inspiration regarding Book of Mormon geography
Joseph Smith knew where the Book of Mormon events took place because Moroni had shown him, as mentioned in the Wentworth letter and by his mother Lucy.
11. “Plains of the Nephites” (Joseph’s letter to Emma refers to Ohio, Indiana and Illinois as the “plains of the Nephites”)
Joseph speculated about a location not specifically mentioned in the text (“the plains of the Nephites”).
Joseph recognized the plains referred to in the text of the Book of Mormon; i.e., “meet them upon the plains between the two cities” (Alma 52:20); “pitch their tents in the plains of Nephihah” (Alma 62:18) and “battle against them, upon the plains” (Alma 62:19).
12. Zelph
Zelph was a warrior killed in Illinois who was known to some of Lehi’s descendants who migrated northward from Mesoamerica into the Hinterland (areas not covered by the text)
Zelph was a warrior in the final battles of the Nephites, killed in Illinois between Zarahemla and Cumorah.
13. Location of Zarahemla
Zarahemla is located somewhere in Mexico or Guatemala; D&C 125:3 does not refer to the Nephite Zarahemla
Zarahemla is located across from Nauvoo as indicated by D&C 125:3 (near Montrose Iowa)
14. River Sidon
Because the land of Nephi is south of the land of Zarahemla and people travel down to the land of Zarahemla from Nephi, and because the river Sidon flows past the city of Zarahemla, the River Sidon flows north. Sidon is the Umacita or Grijalva river in Mesoamerica
Because the land of Nephi is south of the land of Zarahemla and people travel down to the land of Zarahemla from Nephi, the river between the two lands flows North. This is the Tennessee River, unnamed in the text. The text says that the river Sidon flows past the city of Zarahemla and along the land of Zarahemla, but not that it goes to the land of Nephi. These descriptions fits the Iowa location; Sidon is the upper Mississippi River.
15. Correspondences in Central America between BoM and ancient cultures
Many correspondences suggest the BoM took place in Central America, including Mayan banners, pyramids, stone temples, warfare, symbols of the tree of life, state-level society, etc.
These correspondences are typical of most cultures and, to the extent they are unique to BoM, they reflect culture brought to Central America from North America when the Mayans returned after 900 AD.
16. Jaredites
The Jaredites lived in Central America and were destroyed at the Hill Cumorah (Ramah) in Mexico
The Jaredites likely expanded throughout the western hemisphere and only those who lived in “this north country” were Ether’s ancestors who were discussed in the Book of Ether and were destroyed at Cumorah
17. Presence of ancient writing
The text requires the presence of ancient writing systems, which are found only in Mesoamerica
The text excludes the presence of ancient writing systems because Lamanites destroyed any records they could find, which is why Mormon had to hide the plates.
18. Western Hemisphere setting
Although Joseph merely speculated about BoM geography, he knew it took place somewhere in the Western Hemisphere
Joseph knew by revelation that the Book of Mormon took place in the Western Hemisphere because he identified the plains of the Nephites, identified the western tribes of Indians as Lamanites, etc.
19. 1842 Wentworth letter statement that the “Lamanites are Indians in this country.”
This refers to all indigenous people in the Western Hemisphere.
Joseph was writing from Nauvoo, Illinois, to Mr. Wentworth who lived in Chicago, Illinois. Joseph’s statement refers to the Native American Indians in Illinois and what was then the United States.
20. 1830-31 Mission to the Lamanites (D&C 28, 30 and 32)
Early Mormons believed the American Indians were Lamanites, but the term actually refers to all indigenous people in the Americas
Referred specifically to those tribes they visited (and other culturally connected tribes) in New York, Ohio and Missouri
21. Archaeological evidence in North America between BoM and ancient cultures
The archaeology in North America during BoM times shows a tribal level society, but BoM describes a state-level society
The archaeology shows a primarily tribal level society but also a long-lost state-level society with monumental architecture, just as BoM describes
22. Modern prophets/apostles have identified Lamanites in Latin America
These statements corroborate the Mesoamerican setting.
These statements are not limited to Mesoamerica and reflect post-Book of Mormon migrations (Mayans moving north after 800 AD, then returning to Mesoamerica).
23. DNA evidence
All known DNA in Mesoamerican is Asian in origin, but DNA evidence is inconclusive; cannot prove or disprove the Book of Mormon.
Only northeastern (Great Lakes) Indian tribes have DNA other than Asian; dating of X2 haplotype (Middle-Eastern) remains an open issue because scientists currently say the X2 haplotype appeared in the Great Lakes region thousands of years before Lehi.
24. Promised land covenant
Promised land and covenant land includes entire Western hemisphere
Promised land and covenant land refers to the United States 
25. Statements recorded by Wilford Woodruff and Martha Coray and attributed to Joseph Smith say that Zion is all of North and South America
These statement mean Lehi’s descendants filled the hemisphere, but BoM took place in a limited geography (Mesoamerica)
These statements originally meant Northern and Southern states, but Zion is anywhere the pure in heart live. Winchester’s wing concept of the continents of North and South America was adopted by Hyrum Smith and successors, then applied retroactively (Wilford Woodruff, Martha Coray)
26. Uto-Aztecan languages have Hebrew and Egyptian influence
These language influences show transoceanic interaction with Indians in western U.S. and Mexico.
These language influences show transoceanic interaction with Indians in western U.S. and Mexico, but not on Mayans. In addition, Algonquin (Great Lakes Indians) languages also have Hebrew and Egyptian influence.
27. General Conference talks that affirm the New York Cumorah
Presidents Ivins and Romney of the First Presidency were merely expressing their own opinions and were wrong. Same with Elder Mark E. Petersen.
Presidents Ivins and Romney of the First Presidency testified to the truth of what President Oliver Cowdery and others taught. Same with Elder Mark E. Petersen.

There’s also a useful decision tree here:

http://bookofmormonconsensus.blogspot.com/2017/02/cumorah-decision-tree-for-book-of.html

Source: Book of Mormon Wars

The M2C hoax – Part 8 – impact on Church history

Months ago I wrote a series of posts about the Early Modern English theory in which I observed the intersection between M2C and revisionist Church history. This post updates one of those posts.

As we saw in the Saints book, Church historians seek to accommodate M2C by actually changing Church history. Readers of Saints have no idea that Joseph Smith’s closest associates all accepted the fact, established in Letter VII, that the Hill Cumorah of Mormon 6:6 is in western New York.

The beauty of censorship is that readers have no idea what is missing.

The youth of the Church will never learn what the prophets have taught about the New York Cumorah. Nor will the millions of people who join the Church in coming years. That part of history will simply not exist for them. That ignorance allows the M2C hoax to thrive.

We saw how the editors of Saints tried to justify their censorship. They posted an explanatory FAQ right on lds.org. You can read about it here: 
https://saintsreview.blogspot.com/2018/10/the-historians-explain-censorship-in.html

Surely, in their minds, these historians thought were doing the right thing when they imposed modern ideas about Book of Mormon geography onto Joseph’s contemporaries.

But it’s still phony history. And the historians know it.

It is astonishing that historians would deliberately change Church history to accommodate the M2C hoax. 

But what is more astonishing is how many other ways the historians are changing Church history to accommodate M2C.

It is important to clarify that nothing in this post claims prophetic or Church support for any particular theory of Book of Mormon geography. Instead, it is exactly the opposite; i.e., this post seeks to support what the prophets have taught.
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Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery gave a detailed account of Moroni’s first visit to Joseph Smith. Letter IV explains that Moroni “gave a history of the aborigines of this country, and said they were literal descendants of Abraham…. He said this history was written and deposited not far from that place, and that it was our brother’s privilege, if obedient to the commandments of the Lord, to obtain and translate the same by the means of the Urim and Thummim, which were deposited for that purpose with the record.” 

(you can read Letter IV in Joseph’s own history here: 
Now, to accommodate M2C, our LDS scholars and historians are teaching that this story is impossible. 
Everyone accepts that Moroni did visit Joseph. But that’s the only thing we can believe, according to these experts.
According to the intellectuals, the history referred to was not of the aborigines of this country; it was a history of a still-undiscovered group of Hebrew Mayans, living in Mesoamerica. 
They were not literal descendants of Abraham; their ancestors migrated from Asia thousands of years before Adam and Eve were created. 
The history was not “written not far from” Joseph’s home; instead, it was written thousands of miles away in Mesoamerica, and then Moroni hauled it to an obscure hill in New York where Joseph found it. 
Joseph did not translate the record with the Urim and Thummim; instead, he put a stone in a hat and read the words that appeared. 
For that matter, Joseph never even used the plates; they remained under a cloth or outdoors the entire time he was reading from the stone. 
Joseph couldn’t have been the original English translator anyway because the language in the text is much too sophisticated for Joseph and statistical analysis shows it is a form of Early Modern English that had to have been somehow translated in the 1500s. 
Joseph was not the translator; he was merely the transmitter of someone else’s translation.
Thanks to the M2C hoax and its followers employed at CES, BYU, and COB (Church Office Building), this is the explanation of Church history being taught to the youth in the Church and to the world at large, including visitors at Temple Square. Compared with what Joseph and Oliver taught, this revisionist Church history is not credible. That impacts conversion and activity rates, especially in English-speaking areas where people have access to the Internet.
Certainly, there are a lot of great things happening in the Church, all around the world. But if we’re realistic, we must recognize that many of the challenges faced by the Church today could be resolved by simply believing what Joseph and Oliver and the rest of the modern prophets have taught.
But that’s not all.
During Zion’s Camp, Joseph described Ohio, Indiana and Illinois, as “the plains of the Nephites.” He said the participants on the march were “”recounting occasionaly the history of the Book of Mormon, roving over the mounds of that once beloved people of the Lord, picking up their skulls & their bones, as a proof of its divine authenticity.”
 Joseph and Oliver described the hill Cumorah from which Joseph obtained the plates and said Moroni had named it anciently. They wrote that “At about one mile west rises another ridge of less height, running parallel with the former, leaving a beautiful vale between. the fact, that here, between these hills, the entire power and national strength of both the Jaredites and Nephites were destroyed.” 
In addition, Mormon, “by divine appointment, abridged from those records, in his own style and language, a short account … which he deposited, as he says, on the 529th page, all the records in this same hill, Cumorah and after gave his small record to his son Moroni, who, as appears from the same, finished, after witnessing the extinction of his people as a nation.”
Joseph and Oliver (and others) actually visited the depository of Nephite records and artifacts in the hill Cumorah in New York. They spoke about it to Brigham Young and others.
Yet the M2C hoax says all of this is impossible, too. 
BYU’s infamous fantasy map
of the Book of Mormon that
teaches students the prophets
are wrong
Through CES and BYU, promoters of the M2C hoax teach our youth that the hill Cumorah cannot be in New York. Instead, it is somewhere in southern Mexico, or, lately, that it is located on a fantasy map. 
They teach that Mormon’s depository of records could not have been in “the hill in New York.” 
They teach that Joseph and Oliver were merely speculating when they taught that Cumorah was in the New York Cumorah and that they misled the Church for decades, including members of the First Presidency speaking in General Conference who testified that their false opinions were true. 
This condition continued until they, the M2C intellectuals, came along to set the Church straight.

These intellectuals claim the modern prophets have hired them, the intellectuals, to guide the Church on all these matters. 
That’s why they are justified in revising Church history to censor the earliest accounts and purge these false folk traditions about Cumorah, the Lamanites, and the North American setting. 
Plus, they say, Mesoamerica is found in the Book of Mormon text. It’s all there–the volcanoes, the jungles, jaguars and jade, the tapirs and stone pyramids and all the rest–but you have to be trained in the Mesoamerican ministry to “see” it. Joseph and Oliver and the rest of the prophets were too naive to understand.
Now, I admire and respect all these M2C intellectuals and their followers as brothers and sister in the Gospel. None of what I write is personal. I’m sure they think they’re doing the right thing, following the evidence where they think it leads, etc. I just think they embarked on a fool’s errand based on a mistake in Church history, and now they’ve been confirming that bias for so long they don’t even realize what they’ve done or the bubble they’ve created and now live within.
I’m focused on the words on the pages published by the M2C citation cartel, the images and maps and videos they create, the things they teach to thousands of LDS youth throughout the Church, and what they present to the world.
I fully recognize that I might be wrong about all of this. Maybe the intellectuals are right about M2C, after all. Maybe they do know more than the prophets and we should follow them instead of the prophets.
But as I’ve examined the logic and facts used to support the M2C hoax, I find them far less persuasive than the explanation given by Joseph and Oliver and the prophets. I think the evidence from all the sciences, and the text itself, corroborate and support what the prophets have taught, not the M2C hoax.
I’ve satisfied myself that Joseph and Oliver were telling the truth.

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Naturally, critics of the Book of Mormon have always sought to discredit its divine authenticity. They say it is fictional because Joseph (and/or others) wrote it and/or copied it from one or more sources.

Faithful LDS refute those claims with semantic arguments. They write blogs, post comments on Facebook and other social media, read and write books and articles, etc., all focusing on semantics, word choice, statistical analysis, etc.

KEY POINT: The intellectual debate over the divine authenticity of the Book of Mormon is essentially an exercise in confirmation bias. There is “evidence” to support whatever you want to believe. 

Most participants in these discussions forget this key point. Their own confirmation bias blinds them to others’ perspectives. Anyone who wants to understand the issues thoroughly should be able to at least articulate contrary positions, using the facts and arguments of the various proponents.

Lawyers learn this in their first year at law school, but anyone who analytically observes the world realizes that those with whom we disagree are not merely ignorant or stupid. Everyone has different biochemistry and brain structure, different family and religious and social backgrounds, all of which (and more) lead to different biases we seek to confirm.

That said, I think it’s possible to break through confirmation bias if we heed the words of the prophets and the scriptures. That’s why we have prophets, after all.

In my view, these prophetic sources explain the evidence in such a way as to corroborate what Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery said all along.


This is why it is so destructive to have M2C intellectuals teaching the world (including LDS youth) that the prophets are wrong about the New York Cumorah–and all the other things I listed above.
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Source: Book of Mormon Wars

The M2C hoax -Part 7 – when science replaced the prophets

As I write this, I’m a short distance from the Hill Cumorah in New York. The book The Next Mormons reports that only 50% of LDS Millennials are confident that the Book of Mormon is a literal, historical account, and the percentage is declining.

None of this is surprising.

In fact, prophets have warned that this would happen, but their warnings have gone unheeded.*

Younger generations of Church members have never heard what the prophets have taught about the Hill Cumorah. Those teachings have been censored by CES and BYU. They are censored in the Saints book. They are censored in the visitors centers.

BYU fantasy map of the
Book of Mormon –
no wonder only 50%
of Millennials think the
Book of Mormon is a
literal, historical account

Instead, the youth learn the BYU/CES fantasy map and the M2C hoax (the Mesoamerican/two-Cumorahs theory). Even visitors to the “Hill Cumorah” Visitors Center learn M2C.

(Actually, they don’t even learn M2C. They are taught there is only one Cumorah, and it is in Mexico.)

The only place where visitors to Palmyra can see the teachings of the prophets about Cumorah is at the Oliver Cowdery Memorial about one mile north of the Hill Cumorah.

(BTW, the “Hill Cumorah” Visitors Center is scheduled for remodeling. It probably will no longer even be called the Hill Cumorah visitors center.)

All of this confusion is the inevitable result of censoring the teachings of the prophets, and for those few students who discover the teachings of the prophets on their own, teaching them that they should believe the M2C intellectuals instead of the prophets.

M2C represents a repudiation of the teachings of the prophets in favor of the teachings of the intellectuals. Today we’ll look at when and how this transition occurred.
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It’s a simple fact, verifiable by anyone, that the prophets and apostles have long taught two things about Book of Mormon geography:

1. The Hill Cumorah of Mormon 6:6 is in New York.
2. We don’t know for sure where the rest of the Book of Mormon events took place.

Anyone who questions these facts can read the reports of General Conference, as we’ve discussed before, such as here

Nevertheless, a lot of people try to conflate (mix up) the two points because they don’t believe what the prophets have taught about the New York Cumorah.
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We’ve seen how the Cumorah question arose as a contest between RLDS and LDS teachings around the turn of the century. Although LDS leaders, including members of the First Presidency speaking in General Conference, repeatedly reaffirmed Letter VII’s teaching about the New York Cumorah, LDS intellectuals sided with the RLDS intellectuals.

M2C became the default position of the Church because employees at CES, BYU and COB (Church Office Building) rejected what the prophets taught.

In the 1980s, M2C went mainstream with two 1984 articles in the Ensign by John L. Sorenson titled “Digging into the Book of Mormon.” You can red them here:

https://www.lds.org/study/ensign/1984/09/digging-into-the-book-of-mormon-our-changing-understanding-of-ancient-america-and-its-scripture?lang=eng

https://www.lds.org/study/ensign/1984/10/digging-into-the-book-of-mormon-our-changing-understanding-of-ancient-america-and-its-scripture-part-2?lang=eng

The articles were republished in the Liahona in 1985.

The Editor of the Ensign at the time, Jay M. Todd, was fascinated with the Mesoamerican theory. The articles were illustrated with photos of Mesoamerican sites and artifacts, as well as this map:

This map, of course, represents the M2C interpretation of the Book of Mormon that has become the default “official” interpretation of the text, with one “narrow neck” in Mesoamerica.

It is this interpretation that the intellectuals used to generate the fantasy maps taught by CES and BYU.

The articles did not directly articulate the M2C theory, but they laid the groundwork. It’s very interesting how Brother Sorenson framed the discussion.

First, he established that the teachings of the prophets are irrelevant.

He didn’t even cite a single one of them.

Instead, he claimed this: The issue is not one of intentions, beliefs, or testimony; it is one of scholarship. To compare the Book of Mormon with the findings of archaeology and related fields is a scholarly, intellectual activity. When anyone, Latter-day Saint or not, sets out to work in that domain, he must operate according to the rules which govern there.

Recall, this was published in the Ensign. So far as I know, this was the inflection point. This is where science replaced the prophets. 

This is also when the censorship began.

In the left column below, I show some of the Ensign covers that depict M2C. It is fascinating to me because not one Ensign cover has ever depicted the New York Cumorah, not even when it was taught in General Conference. There has been zero effort to be “neutral” about Book of Mormon geography. It is all M2C, all the time.

The Ensign has never published Letter VII, either, even though all prior Church magazines did, including the Improvement Era. But now that M2C is the default position, Letter VII is censored.

(Fortunately, Joseph Smith had his scribes copy it into his journal, where anyone can read it in the Joseph Smith Papers. Otherwise, it would have been completely erased from accessible Church history. You can read about Letter VII here: http://www.lettervii.com/)











In 1975 and 1978, the New York Cumorah was reaffirmed in General Conference. Brother Sorenson didn’t mention that. Today, hardly anyone even knows that.

Now, I agree with Brother Sorenson that the issue is not one of intentions, beliefs or testimony. But I don’t agree it is an issue of scholarship exclusively. When the prophets have consistently and persistently taught that it is a fact that the Hill Cumorah of Mormon 6:6 is in New York, we don’t cavalierly reject their teachings solely because we disagree with them.

But that’s what Brother Sorenson and all his followers have done.

In my view, scientific analysis is useful and important, especially when, as in this case, it supports the teachings of the prophets about the New York Cumorah.

Intellectual honesty requires that the M2C intellectuals (and CES and BYU teachers) at least acknowledge the teachings of the prophets and explain why they reject those teachings.

It’s not surprising that an article in the Ensign would avoid that topic, but to discerning readers the censorship is apparent–and it is just as apparent now in the Visitors Centers, curriculum, etc.
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The second framing Brother Sorenson used to lay the groundwork for M2C appears here:

A substantive discussion of geography cannot be given in these limited pages. However, for at least the past forty years, many students of the subject who have studied it in depth have reached similar basic conclusions: (1) the events reported by Nephite and Jaredite scribes evidently covered only a limited territory in the New World “land of promise,” and (2) there is presently known only one location in the Western Hemisphere that seems qualify as that scene.6

Notice how the article ignores the origins of M2C (the RLDS scholars who developed it in the late 1800s and early 1900 as part of their intellectual battle with LDS leaders). Instead, it frames M2C as something that originated in the 1940s among LDS scholars.

Notice also how the teachings of the prophets about Cumorah are both censored and repudiated. Brother Sorenson (and all of his M2C followers) don’t even acknowledge alternatives to M2C; they insist Mesoamerica is the “only” location that “seems to qualify.”

Of course, this is the inevitable result of their circular reasoning. They simply interpreted the text to match Mesoamerica, and then claimed only Mesoamerica “qualifies” according to their interpretation. 

We admire the audacity of this sophistry, but we recognize it for what it is.

Footnote 6 is awesome. The article never mentions the term “Cumorah” but the footnote does. It cites books that established M2C by saying the prophets were wrong. Here are two of my favorites:

Cumorah – Where? by Thomas Stuart Ferguson (Zion’s Printing and Publishing Co.: Independence, Missouri, 1947)

In Search of Cumorah: New Evidences for the Book of Mormon from Ancient Mexico, by David A. Palmer (Bountiful, Ut.” Horizon Publishers, 1981).
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We don’t have time to go through the entire Ensign articles, but I recommend that you do so. It’s astonishing to see how M2C became established.

However, we do need to look one paragraph that was crucial to the foundation of M2C. (My comment in red.)

Of course, placing the Book of Mormon lands within a limited region like Mesoamerica requires that we take a fresh look at some of the long-standing questions that have been of interest to Book of Mormon readers. For example, how did the plates of Nephi get from the final battlefield near the “narrow neck of land”11 to where Joseph Smith obtained them in New York? 

[This has never been a question for those who accept what the prophets have taught. It’s only a question for those who reject those teachings. Footnote 11 explains how the intellectuals turned a fact into a question.]

Here the Book of Mormon sheds no light. 

[But the prophets not only share light, they declare it as a fact that the final battles took place in the valley west of the “hill in New York.” Oliver Cowdery and Joseph Smith visited the depository of Nephite records in the hill Cumorah in New York. That alone justifies their teaching that this is the hill of Mormon 6:6.]

One obvious possibility is that Moroni himself may have carried the records to New York during his thirty-six years of wandering between the extermination of the Nephites and when he last wrote on the plates. (See Morm. 6:6Moro. 1:1–4Moro. 10:1.) Or he may have taken them there as a resurrected being. We only know that, whatever the means, in 1827 the plates were in the “hill of considerable size” near young Joseph Smith’s home at Palmyra, New York, where Moroni delivered the sacred record to him.

Notice how the teaching of the prophets–that the final battles of the Jaredites and Nephites took place in western New York–is nowhere considered even as a possibility. It is completely censored. 

Also notice the rhetorical trick of referring to the “hill in New York” as a generic hill and not as the Hill Cumorah.

This is footnote 11.


Consider the following reasoning: (1) The Cumorah of the Nephites and the Ramah of the Jaredites were the same hill (Ether 15:11). (2) This area, covered with bones (Omni 1:22; Mosiah 8:8; Mosiah 21:26–27; etc.) and also a “land of many waters, rivers, and fountains” (Morm. 6:4; Ether 15:8), was in the land of Desolation, which bordered on the land Bountiful at the narrow neck of land (Alma 22:29–32). 

[Here is one of the circular reasoning interpretations. The M2C interpretation conflates the “narrow neck of land” (Ether 10:20) with the “narrow neck” of Alma 63:5, as if these different terms hundreds of years apart referred to the identical geographical feature. Then they insert the “narrow neck” into Alma 22, where it doesn’t actually exist in the text.] 

(3) In Mormon 3 through 6, it becomes clear that the final battles of the Nephites were localized, centering largely in the general area of the city of Desolation, which was in the land of Desolation “by the narrow pass which led into the land southward” (Morm. 3:5, 7). 

[Here they conflate “narrow pass” with “narrow neck of land” and “narrow neck.” All of this also assumes that “land southward” and “land northward” are proper nouns instead of relative terms, relative to the specific location and time involved in the narrative. These assumptions are not necessarily unreasonable, but they are not mandatory and, IMO, contradict a basic rule of interpretation, that different terms refer to different things. But for M2C intellectuals, the conclusion that the prophets are wrong about Cumorah is fundamental. It’s a starting point. For me, just the opposite is the case; i.e., I start with what the prophets have taught and go from there.]

(4) And therefore, according to this reasoning, Cumorah, the final battlefield of the Nephites and Lamanites, was near the narrow neck of land.

[Ironically, I don’t disagree with this statement. But I don’t agree with the M2C interpretation that (i) conflates the terminology and (ii) insists the narrow neck of land must be in Mesoamerica.]

The point of this post is not to debate the terminology. That’s a futile endeavor. I’m not interested in a “war of words” which can never be resolved and doesn’t change anyone’s mind anyway.

The point of this post is to show when and how science (as explained by M2C intellectuals) replaced the teachings of the prophets. 

In my view, replacing the prophets with the intellectuals is and has been a huge mistake. 

It’s fine with me if people prefer to believe the M2C intellectuals instead of the prophets, I just think such an important decision should be made with full knowledge of 

(i) what the prophets have taught and 

(ii) what science tells us that affirms and corroborates those teachings.

Currently, most members of the Church are never even exposed to, let alone taught, either category of knowledge.

I hope to see that change. I continue to call upon my friends in the M2C citation cartel to provide their readers and followers with full, complete information. 

I call on them to stop resorting to censorship and obfuscation to maintain M2C.

I call on them to trust their readers to make informed decisions.

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*About the time when President Joseph F. Smith wanted to purchase the Hill Cumorah in New York, RLDS scholars began teaching that the “real” hill Cumorah was in Mexico. Joseph F. Smith had republished Letter VII; for him, the Cumorah question was settled.

His son, Joseph Fielding Smith, and Apostle and Church Historian at the time, warned that the “two-Cumorahs” theory would cause members of the Church to become confused and disturbed in their faith in the Book of Mormon. He reiterated that warning when he was President of the Quorum of the Twelve.

But the intellectuals rejected his warning.

Two months before he died, Brigham Young expressed his serious concern that the teaching about the New York Cumorah would be forgotten. He had good reason to be concerned, as we discussed here:

http://bookofmormonwars.blogspot.com/2017/08/brigham-young-140th-anniversary-of-his.html

Source: Book of Mormon Wars

David Whitmer on the stumbling block

Long ago, David Whitmer made this observation:

“It is a stumbling-block to those who desire to investigate as to the truth of the Book of Mormon, to see the believers in that book divided.”

https://archive.org/details/addresstoallbeli00whit/page/4

While he was referring to a doctrinal dispute between LDS and RLDS, the statement remains accurate today because of the ongoing division over Book of Mormon geography.

There is a simple solution.

Everyone who believes the Book of Mormon is an authentic history of ancient people could come together by supporting the consistent, persistent teachings of the prophets:

1. The Hill Cumorah is in New York.
2. We don’t know for sure where the other events took place.

As long as some believers in the Book of Mormon teach that the prophets are wrong, the unnecessary and counterproductive division will remain.
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Those who advocate M2C claim the prophets are wrong about the New York Cumorah. They say Letter VII falsely proclaimed that the Cumorah of Mormon 6:6 is in New York. They say Joseph and Oliver never claimed a revelation about the New York Cumorah, and that historical evidence of such revelations is wrong.

There’s another aspect of this that the M2C proponents don’t address.

Joseph Smith gave around 200 addresses for which we have no record other than the fact that he spoke. We can infer what he taught, in part, from what his listeners believed.

And every one of them believed the Hill Cumorah was in New York.

Letter VII did not teach readers something new. It memorialized what everyone knew from their association with Joseph and Oliver.

For example, after he joined the Church in 1832–long before Letter VII was first published–Heber C. Kimball visited the Hill Cumorah in New York. He did so not because that was where Joseph obtained the plates. Instead he specifically noted the embankments around the hill, the residual evidence of the final battle between the Nephites and Lamanites.

It is perplexing that so many LDS outright reject the teaching of the prophets about the New York Cumorah.
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As I’ve noted previously, M2C originated with the RLDS (now Community of Christ). The treatment of the Book of Mormon by the Community of Christ seems to be the inevitable outcome of M2C (and the fantasy maps being taught by CES/BYU).

This outcome is summarized by the concluding paragraph of a book published by the Community of Christ Seminary Press titled Millions Call It Scripture: The Book of Mormon in the 21st Century.


“We do not apologize for [the BofM]; we do not defend it; we let it speak for itself. If it is useful to people, they will make that decision for themselves. But let us not make that decision for them, by making it a test of faith and fellowship that they must believe in the book; or by depriving them of the privilege to make their own decision by neglecting to share it with them, and thereby depriving them of an important scriptural legacy. Read the book. Share the book. Let it bear its own witness; and let people decide for themselves what they will do with the Book of Mormon.”

Source: Book of Mormon Concensus

Fun with M2C on the Internet

Just FYI.

Some time ago I linked to this site for people to see what Joseph Fielding Smith had to say about the “two-Cumorahs” theory. http://emp.byui.edu/marrottr/cumorah-jfes-dofs3.pdf

Now if you go there, you get an error:

HTTP Error 404.0 – Not Found

The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

But thanks to archive.org’s wayback machine, you can still read Joseph Fielding Smith’s statement:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170705230407/http://emp.byui.edu/marrottr/cumorah-jfes-dofs3.pdf

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For a while, people reported that BMAF.org, the owner of Book of Mormon Central, went offline. It is now back online. http://bmaf.org/about/mission_statement

You can once again see their corporate goals. Notice that (2) involves correlating with CofC scholars. The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints changed its name to Community of Christ (CofC).

It’s fitting that Book of Mormon Central works with these scholars since they invented M2C in the first place.

Now, there are groups from both CofC and BOMC searching in southern Mexico for Cumorah.

Notice goal (3) also. Of course, they “help promote unity” by censoring any alternative views.
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Source: Book of Mormon Wars