the ministry's Official Directory provides clear, concise and easy-to-understand information to the police officers about their own rights and duties and how they are to deal with the daily demands of the service. $1,000. Regarding the necessity to modify a cut-back Artillery to Police holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve to accommodate a Police cleaning rod is questioned, as the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster, as stated earlier, was acquired with a Police steel shaft cleaning rod with brass stopper, fully inserted in the original, unmodified cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, albeit a cover flap modified by adding a section of leather, allowing the cover flap to completely close over the seven ring wooden barrel Police cleaning rod handle. Normally, as stated above, these cut-back artillery holsters utilized a toe plug, in this case the subject holster is about of an inch longer, allowing the leather smith enough materiel to fold over the toe opening, mostly conforming to the 1929 and later police holsters. Pictured is a similar aftermarket P08 and police stick-wing acceptance stamped muzzle protector disassembled. German: Foreign Mfg. Best, Pat He who lives by the sword, should train with it frequently. "Jt" being the abbreviation for the Ingolstadt HZa. Potsdam = Oak*, in June 1921. Luger 1936 First Year after Sneak Codes. Receiver proof, some 1920 Military and Police Lugers. collar assembly to be aligned with forward main Pictured is a black dyed 1933 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era (1929-36) Sunburst police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number S.E.I. Pictured is a 1915 dated P. Braunleder Cln Article modified: Sunday, 7 July 2019. Interestingly, the cut-back artillery to purportedly, police conversions with toe plugs rarely have added twin belt loops. 4. The only known publication that mentions the E/WaAJL16 stamping is found in World of Lugers, a.k.a. WaAJL16. Estimated Price: $ 5,500 - $ 7,500 Price Realized: Details Scarce German 1936, Dated S/42 Code Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig with Two Matching Magazines and 1936 Dated Holster Manufacturer: Mauser Model: P08 Type: Pistol Gauge: 9 mm Luger Barrel: 3 7/8 inch round Finish: blue Grip: walnut checkered Stock: Item Views: 9264 As to the luftamt I do not know, but the Army HZa's still equipped the Luftwaffe and Waffen SS, so it makes sense. No examples noted. Any aluminium based or black plastic based magazine (without serial number) would be correct for this gun. view 3. 31. 1928 (Undated) "Riff" Berlin Mauser Rig (Police) SOLD. It is, therefore, not necessary in some cases, as the above 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example shows, to modify these cut-back Artillery to Police holsters to accommodate a Police cleaning rod as the leather flexibility, size and wall thickness varies between manufactures of WW1 Artillery holsters, specifically the cleaning rod pouches/sleeves from stiff, thick and less flexible leather to supple, thinner and more malleable leather, such as used with the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example. 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It is also unlikely that any of the cut-back artillery holsters will be located with police markings as per TBLAP VIII, C19 page 1267 where it states: Modified army pattern holsters, whether of short LP.08 pattern originally, were not subject to formal inspection and marking upon conversion to the police pattern. The instruction manual is pictured and other interesting details are described in TBLAP, VIII, Chapter 19, Page 1297, Fig. The cut-back, first conversion feature of the subject police holster involved forming a regular curved, P.08 holster style, closed, stitched toe. 3 days Left MAUSER C96 RED 9 POLICE, SIMSON REWORK. While lacking a rear horizontal stitch line, the holster body cavity rear panel is secured at the lower edge by the lower belt loop stitching. A first glance through the new evidence that became available to me does not change my opinion as stated above. Based on the ratio proportion of the three rounds next to the muzzle protector, clearly indicates that the pictured muzzle protector is the smaller or shorter length spring-loaded variation 1 example and not the variation 2 longer length, not spring-loaded ERMA made muzzle protector. indicated by the 220mm, short length pull-through chain. Sticky: Book Review History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings. With the reorganization of the police carried out on 6 October 1920, the factual responsibility of the new police has been considerably expanded. Mfg Part Number. The magazine has a blued tube and aluminum base. certain when the holster was modified, however, it was used by the German State Railway Protection Police, specifically the Bahnschutz or Bahnschutzpolizei 1929 police luger markings on side plate and back of frame User Name: Remember Me? View 1 and view 2. Note the non-standard vertical location of added metal belt buckle and strap/keeper cover flap holster, the subject cut-back artillery LP.08 holster to P.08 holster police marked, the bottom edge of the holster body inner liner, Pictured is a WW1 P08 army holster modified to a Police holster in the 1920s, whereas other identified, non-holster Hannover markings, such as Police P08s. A 1914 Gustav Reinhardt Berlin example 1 and a 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example 2. 30. Description. The is a 9mm, all matching police luger. Per Weimar Lugers by J. )" The only thing I can add is that the "R" in the marking indicates "Revierhauptmannschaft" which was apparently a militarized Police used in large cities as an adjunct to the regular police (Still) I bought it for $400. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Based on the wooden box style of the two examples, and the identical text font size and styles, that there are more of these cleaning kits with identical contents and that they are all, most likely made by the same German manufacturer. 2866 is pictured in two views, one with the Xs removed and the other enhanced, both with the intent of identifying the markings. A 108 is found in the upper right backside corner, what could be considered a Police serial marking? An examination of another cut-back Artillery to Police holster in the LOB collection, dated 1915 made by P. Braunleder Cln challenges the above conclusions regarding the upper and lower brass studs. Hardback with dust cover. 02-04-2013 08:55 PM by NoncomRetired. Below is continuing description of the second and final conversion. Description. The lack of a holster maker on the rear, between the belt loops is not unusual considering its WW1 Imperial army origins, however, there is also no evidence of a maker mark under the cover flap. (A fairly common occurrence.) The actual marking is likely WaAJt18. The first set of letters on the line indicate the military or police unit Most of these went to the German Police. Opening the loading tool cover flap reveals the original brown leather. This assumes that the cut-back Artillery to Police holster and the modification of the cleaning rod/pouch/sleeve and cover flap were contemporaneous operations. Item Information. The E/Mg10 is thought to be the inspector stamp or proof marking used at this depot. Eagle/L proofed aluminum bottom magazine is not. Pictured is a brown leather 1935 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with an eagle over circled K police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 7307; view 1, JavaScript is disabled. 19-216). or Landjgerei Schleswig; view 1, view 2 and view 3. Stay in the know. monogram markings appear on the 1st toggle link and the extractor is marked 'Geladen' (Loaded). (Bavarian) State Police. The magazine safety is intact, the grips screws haven't been tampered with and overall looks like a pretty decent pistol. var ad=new Array() Click here for English translation. Simson proofs. View First Unread . This would account for the Luftwaffe acceptance stamp. German: German Mfg. Made by Mauser in 1936 for German Army. As to whether any police Lugers were used in caliber 7.65 mm is uncertain, however, one example pictured in Luger Variations by Harry Jones 1959, page 291 titled: 1920 POLICE WITH CHAMBER MARKINGS with the claim that during police service the Sear Safety Luger was chambered for the 7.65 m/m cartridge. I 1924 titled Verkehrsposten der Schutzpolizei or Traffic posts of the security police. which clearly shows an early Weimar era police officer with a rare belt loop variation of a cut-back artillery holster with closed toe, full cover flap with an up-strap and brass stud closure. Gr soll seine Umtspslichten gewissenhaft erfullen, foll fachlich in seinen Masnahmen, hslich im Bertehr mit dem Publitum sein, aber auch streng gegen offensichtliche Berstsse einschreiten, andererseits alle Unlasse oder gar Uebergriffe vermeiden, durch welche die Stimmung eines erheblichen Teiles der Bevlterung noch mehr gegen die Polizei beeinslusst wird, als es leider schon der Fall ift. $500. This is an apolitical forum for discussions on the Axis nations and related topics hosted by the Axis History Factbook in cooperation with Christian Ankerstjernes Panzerworld and Christoph Awender's WW2 day by day. We know now that it was DWM who started the v block. Pictured is a variation 1, spring loaded muzzle protector, which is the only one of two known examples of a muzzle protector used by the Wehrmacht or German army as indicated by the droop-wing eagle over WaA107 army inspection stamp located on the right side flat. Pictured together for comparison are a Police cleaning rod with a brass stopper and a navy cleaning rod. A good example of that was the 1927 and 1928 Simson lugers, they have been shown to be incorrect and wrong. It is assumed that at the time of the conversion the holster was still brown. Magistrat und Polizeiverwaltung Stadt Reichenbach=Municipality and police administration City Reichenbach, Knigl. Take care and thanks for the quick response. It is a numbers matching pistol. The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in Die Pistolen der Polizie, dated Dresden 1946, other pistols listed are mostly 7.65 mm caliber, Pictured is an excellent condition WW2 S98 Police Bayonet, a 1935 dated Police style Robert Larsen-BERLIN TP stamped holster, a rare 1908/13 triple C/X proofed commercial/military/Police Luger sn 69859. Receiver proof, some reworked 1920 Police and Military Lugers 32. This is German WWI Naval crown m marked on the left receiver. The first toggle link is marked with the Mauser Commercial Banner Code. 3 days Left DWM 1914 MILITARY UNIT MARKED LUGER SEMI-AUTO. Estimated price on these beauties run between $3,500-$25,000. There are other, more obscure WW1 or Weimar era police organization affiliated belt buckles with unique design emblems. Waffenfabrik Bern - Bern, Switzerland&break;7. On later production guns, matching numbered magazines enhance value. Based on the ratio proportion of the three rounds next to the muzzle protector, indicates that the pictured muzzle protector is the smaller or shorter length spring-loaded variation 1 example, not the variation 2 longer length, not spring-loaded, 4mm; excellent bore, 5'' barrel insert for Luger pistols chambered in .30 Luger (7.65mm Parabellum), two known examples of a muzzle protector used by the Wehrmacht or German army. A very similar style of eagle can be found on Gewehr 98 rifles. - Kommando Nuernberg-Fuerth, berittene Abteilung, gun 5, W.K.S.5. Luger wooden box cleaning kit. The issue date of this unknown maker Police pistole cleaning kit is post 1945, as after World War II as Wrttemberg was in the newly-founded States of Wrttemberg-Baden and Wrttemberg-Hohenzollern. Chapter 4, p. 64 & Chapter 7, pp. This Luger has all matching numbers. the The table of contents identifies the handling and operation of all pistols used by the German police in Dresden in 1946. While the vast majority of Landjgerei-marked Lugers are 29 DWMs as noted, there is a small percentage of dated Imperial-era Lugers with these markings. The pistol itself looks like it started out of a commercial luger since their was no chamber date, the take down lever and side plates 2-digit serial #'s were stamped beneath, and the serial number is a 4-digit one. By Bade, 16 April , 2021 in Arms and other weapons. Pictured are view 1, view 2 and view 3 of the subject Police holster. Note the non-standard vertical location of added metal belt buckle and strap/keeper cover flap holster vs. the regulation positioned and angled location of 13. Landjaegerei (rural constabulary), Assigned to links[6]='http://www.cashicollection.com'; With the reorganization of the police carried out on 6 October 1920, the factual responsibility of the new police has been considerably expanded. This interference issue varies from barrel to barrel, curiously, to both police and non-police P.08 9mm Lugers, depending on the width of the sight blade sliding base. An inspection of other pre-WW1 Artillery holster/stocks in the collection shows yet another shape/style and size of cleaning rod pouch/sleeve affixed brass stud. The leather, stitching and markings are complete. These HZA markings, excluding the WaAJL16 stampings which, as Costanzo states was specifically used by police forces guarding warehouses operated by the Heerszeugment. Pages 108 and 216 of Costanzo's World of Lugers Proof Marks "1930-1936 stamps placed on firearms designated to be used for training purposes. The Fraktur typefaces were particularly heavily used during the rise of Nazism, when they were initially represented as true German script. The conventional wisdom is that these were manufactured in 1929. Pictured is a disassembled view of the subject aftermarket P08 marked and police stick wing acceptance stamped, variation 1 muzzle protector. German firearms are loaded with a variety of markings and stamps. Five Complete Chapters covered by the book include: Chapt. steel rod with brass muzzle stop for 4-inch barrel P.08 Luger pistols with Pictured is another variation 1 style police S. B. "The Flag does not fly because of the wind that blows it. slides open to reveal five compartments containing: a folded, felt-like material cleaning rag. Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei), 1922. 19-105, formally of the Dr. G.L. Helping Police). Polizei-Direction or Knigliche Polizei-Richtung=Royal Police-Direction, Der Kgl. Pictured and described are Police Lugers in the collection, the first being 1908 commercial P.08 s/n 69859 shown with a period police holster. Figure 47c shows a table or bench with several Police Lugers and accessories and particularly interesting in the foreground is a muzzle protector, next to three training rounds. Note, these two WaAJL16 holsters are in private collections and are not pictured or discussed in any prior Luger publications, except on Luger forum sites with the last mention of the WaAJL16 stampings being discussed in 2008. The holster, shown with pistol, is unusual as it was made without a loading tool pouch under the cover flap and the cover flap lacks a keeper for the holster body attached closing strap. of "P". 05-24-2021 12:04 AM by Neil Young. The lack of relevant textbooks has often been put to the test. Einwohnerwehr in 1921. S.B.13.435 - Berlin unit 13 - Pistole s/n 9140e. 3. (communications training Weimar era Police cleaning rods are easily identified by their 7-ring wooden barrel type handles vs. the Imperial era artillery LP.08 and navy P.04 with their 6-ring wooden barrel type wooden handles.The use of these new style police cleaning rods, which coincidently are the last design and use of a wooden barrel handle cleaning rod for the P.08, is described by Sturgess in TBLAP, VIII, C19, pp 1331, 1332 as follows: Most were fitted with bell-shaped brass stops, soft soldered on their shafts, to give the correct length, 130 135mm approximately, for cleaning the barrel of the short P.08 when used with the Mndungsschoner (muzzle protector) which was then in police service. Das geistige Rstzeug fr seine Umtsausbung muss er so vllig besitzen, das ser jederzeit das Rechte trifft. Below is the translated Introduction section of Volume I. Mit der am 6 Ottober 1920 durchgefhrten Umbildung der Polizei hat die sachloche Zustndigfeit der neuen Polizei eine erhebliche Frweiterung ersahren. which There is no Police tool in the holster. Article created: Thursday, 25 January 2018 Also, recently in Strafrecht (Criminal Law) z. L. significant upheavals took place. 355. It will therefore be easy for all police officers who are familiar with the content of the book to find their way through the reworking without difficulty. The base forms of the unit marks for this police force were ammended in installed over the barrel sight block blade assembly as a single unit with the 1/11/23 - This is an original WW2 era production Luger magazine. Walsworth Publishing Co., Marceline, MO 64658 USA.]. For more detailed information on the 1946 Dresden Police manual. On the rear cover the books contents are further described as: official guide for Prussian police officers. 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