https://www.rebuildingthefoundations.org/faith-and-works-story.html. This oversight has been corrected. The author writes that there was a "great multitude furnished us with a most excellent example." He names two women (Danaids and Dircae) who were "persecuted after they had suffered terrible and unspeakable torments." (Chapter 7) He "admonishes" them, but doesn't offer any sort of command. One of the plainest examples is the Acts of Peter (probably from the 180s) which tells of Neros persecution of Peter in Rome, but states that he was forced to keep his hands off Peters Christian followers due to a threatening vision from heaven. suffered cruel and unholy insults as Danaids and Dircae, safely reached the goal in the race of faith, and received a noble reward, feeble though they were in body. And to those who were dying mockeries were added. Soon the sons of Aegyptus presented themselves to the palace and asked once more to marry the Danaides. Christians and Jews by the Fourth Century. Envy has alienated wives from their husbands, and changed that saying of our father Adam, "This is now bone of my . 2:6-7). This second group were singled out because others believed they had a general hatred for humankind. Dirce was tied to the horns of a bull and then dragged to death." 151168. According to Hurtado: What is missing in the punishments described, however, is anything suggesting a Christian association. "[The rivers and springs flee before the pregnant goddess Leto, fearing the wrath of Hera should they provide her refuge :] Fled, too, Aonia [Boiotia] on the same course, and [the Naiades] Dirke (Dirce) and Strophia, holding the hands of their sire, dark-pebbled Ismenos (Ismenus). The first part of the article explores the context in which these designations appear. Belus was believed to be a descendant of Io, a princess of Argos who lived most of her life in Egypt. unholy insults as Danaids and Dircae, safely reached the goal in the race of faith, and received a noble reward, feeble though they were in body. Books and publications are covered with a range of perspectives with attempts at fair and accurate representation of others arguments and content (where there are occasional and inevitable missteps on that I notice Neil making corrections and apologies where warranted, which wins points with me). The first part of the article explores the context in which these designations appear. The Law of Moses could not deliver from sin or give the power to overcome it, but "what the Law could not do, God did by sending his Son" (Rom. 1) Acts 11:26 gives a historical kernel and is not anachronistic. . Christian Interpolation in Josephus Antiquitates Judaicae (c. 94 C.E.). Where to eat? But between such hypotheses and the text there are considerable unfillable gaps in the evidence. The Roman elites, meanwhile, came to remember Nero as a malicious villain. Yet not only do Christian commentators not breathe a word of such a myth (and that includes prime martyrologists like Tertullian and the historian Eusebius) until the beginning of the 400s, some of their documents actually say things which make it impossible that they could have been aware of or subscribed to such a myth, as in the Acts of Paul, and the Acts of Peter. Nonetheless, the Bible reports him as a "preacher of righteousness" (2 Pet. "Antiope was a daughter of Nykteus (Nycteus), and Zeus had intercourse with her. : Danaus was angered that his daughter refused to do as he ordered and took her to the Argives courts. Ec., II, 25. We all know the problem with this promise. ", Pseudo-Hyginus, Fabulae 7 (trans. Yes, I had read Hurtados piece but my post was too long for me to include reference to what he had said. 1:13). I dont know if they will print it, because it relates to a secondary subject within the review in question. ", "Vridar is consistently thought-provoking, well-informed, and asking the right questions. Shaw argues that the famous story of Nero burning and in other ways torturing Christians as punishment for the Great Fire of Rome in 64 C.E. In the Metamorphoses, [1] Ovid refers to them as the Belides after their grandfather Belus. They were to marry the 50 sons of Danaus' twin brother Aegyptus, a mythical king of Egypt. I call them amateurs only for the reason that they dont have, so far as I know, advanced degrees in the subject. But I have often been impressed with their grasp of logic and analysis of scholarship. He says: Evidently two developments had taken place prior to his writing the Annales: Afterwards, they remarried by choosing their mates in footraces (or their father bestowed them to the victors of the athletic contest[2]). Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca 3. Cf. I am skeptical of any persecution alleged to early Christians, especially when the historicity of the first persecution under Nero, hinges on the preposterous reference to Pontius Pilates execution of someone called Christus (Allen, 2015). Enjoy reading and share 5 famous quotes about Danaides And Dircae with everyone. The result is a few phrases in a single passage testifying to the Neronian persecution of Christians because of the fire of Rome and it is constructed fromanachronisms. And he brings into play the unnamed freedmen referred to by Josephus, Ant. Greeka? Nero had somehow come to be connected with the Christians; Christians were linked to thosewho were punished after the Great Fire. the name was corrupted according to Mauricius Schmidt in his annotations in Hyginus. The expressions of Sulpicius agree, in part, almost word for word with those of Tacitus. It is best dismissed from serious consideration of this problem as yet another one of the parasitic texts that have come to be attached to the fire and the first persecution under Nero in the assiduous hunt for any possible evidence that might strengthen the general argument. hero concept in European and Jewish mythology, and his (apocalyptic?) Danaus agreed to the marriage of his daughters only after Aegyptus came to Argos with his fifty sons in order to protect the local population, the Argives, from any battles. I have just sent this letter to the New York Review of books. To these men who spent their lives in the practice of holiness, there is to be added a great multitude of the elect, who, having through envy endured many indignities and tortures, furnished. the pagan writer Tacitus testifies to these evernt in his Annales (15, 44) as does Clement, bishop of Rome, in his letter to the Corinthians (chapters 5-7). Other references not currently quoted here: Euripides Bacchae 519, Euripides Heracles 27, Propertius 3.16.13. can be read possibly as Phileas (Phileam) according to Mauricius Schmidt in his annotations of Hyginus, Last edited on 27 December 2022, at 03:05, Learn how and when to remove this template message, Holinshed's Chronicles of England, Scotland, and Ireland, "Interleaved Greek and English text (translation by Gillian Newing)". The Roman church needs reminding, too. At the time, and indeed up to the decades after 100 C.E., among Roman writers, including Tacitus, it was the Jews rather than the Christians whose beliefs and practices were being labelled a superstitio, albeit not a novel one. 1.800.803.0118info@crossroadsinitiative.com. - Letter to the Corinthians, ch. when he had completed his Histories. The minute he stepped off the ship, he went to Gelanoras, the king of the town, and demanded to be given the throne, for he was the rightful heir, as descendent of Io. He offers the suggestion that Chrestus might be one of the freedmen advisers to the emperor Claudius, using as analogy the anti-semitic Helicon, counselor to Gaius Caligula. . Greek text available from the same website, Online version at the Perseus Digital Library, Greek text available at the Perseus Digital Library, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danades&oldid=1129780773, Archedice, along with her sister Helice and two others, chosen by lot by the rest, had founded the temple of Lindian, This page was last edited on 27 December 2022, at 03:05. In Jewish apocalyptic mythology Nero was depicted as a bestial figure, no doubt because the war that ended with the destruction of the Temple was commenced under his reign. For Aegyptus, these fifty marriages appeared as an easy route to acquire the properties of Danaus. I will gloss over the details of Shawsarguments for the above and move on to the account by the Roman historian Tacitus of Neros persecution of the Christians in the wake of the Great Fire ofRome in 64 C.E. available online @ http://dspace.nwu.ac.za/handle/10394/14213, Your email address will not be published. I would also like to point out one serious flaw in Shaws argument, relating to his desire to keep the Tacitean passage as essentially authentic, but constituting a misinterpretation by Tacitus time about a Neronian event. Clement, writing for the church of Rome, gives a humble beginning to his discussion on repentance. who had already confessed) a very large number were convicted, less on the charge of having set the fire than because of their hatred of humankind. Several minor female characters, mentioned in various accounts unrelated to the main myth of Danaus and the Danades, are also referred to as daughters of Danaus. Theoi Project Copyright 2000 - 2017 Aaron J. Atsma, Netherlands & New Zealand, (Callimachus Hymn to Delos, Nonnus Dionysiaca 44.10). return to rescue his nation/people &c. This persists even in the bizarre sci-fi cult-fiction of the cryogenic Adolf in Antarctica. We will focus on repentance and grace in chapters 7 and 8. He himself loathed Nero. What seems to have happened under Claudius and then again under Nero is the temporary banishment of some Jewish sectarians from the city of Rome, but not, in any event, persons who would logically have been labelled at the time as a new and evil superstitio, words which were used only much later by Roman officials to label Christians. It is worth noting that Tacitus Annals 15 derives from a single manuscript, found in the derives from a single manuscript found in a monastery at Monte Cassino in the 13 or 14th century, that also found its way into the hands of Poggio Bracciolini. When the people of Argos were about to choose their king, a wolf entered the city and tore a bull into pieces. Shaws points here are significant. Given the surprisingly widespread acceptance of the great significance ofthis axial event in Christian history, the thinness of the evidence on all aspects of it is quite striking. How, then, Shaw asks, was this new information about the Christians circulating among the governing officials at the time? The Greek text in 6.2 is not without its complications, but it is entirely possible that the reference to the Danaids, alluding to how the daughters of Danas were given as prizes to the winners of a race, may be an indication of how some Christian women endured public rape before their executions. This first letter of Clement (a second letter was falsely attributed to him) was copied by the Corinthian Church and circulated all over the empire, rendering the very first papal encyclical. It was so highly regarded by the universal church that for several centuries the Church in Egypt and elsewhere regarded it as one of the New Testament scriptures. Both these chapters make it clear that God wants everyone to partake of repentance, but in this sentence, Clement only includes God's beloved. Previous myth: Idas and Marpessa | Next myth: The tragic myth of Niobe. to express appreciation for your detailed interaction with what Ive written!". Dionysos afterwards transformed her into the spring for she had been a devoted follower of the god. The Roman satirist Juvenal, another contemporary, wrote in the same vein of the Jews. (Later still Jewish mythology concocted scenarios where Nero converted to Judaism and kept divine vengeance at bay.) This conclusion is based on subsequent Christian writings, in particular that of Lactantius. The gaps are striking lacunae in the knowledge of a senator from Italy, frequently resident in or near the imperial capital, who was well informed on these matters, And this evidence, focusing its special emphasis on the Christians and the execution of their leader under Pontius Pilatus in the reign of Tiberius, appears to have come to his attention after he wrote the, Despite the historians different agenda in the. 57 (trans. But then when explaining whom Nero scapegoatedTacitusenters the realm of anachronism. When he wrote these words, he firmly believed (I believe) that there was good evidence that linked these events in a single coherent narrative. (A white Muslim convert I knew well in Norwich once said to me, We dont make your distinction between fact and fiction!). Deliberately to overlook and to ignore such a parallel with an earlier known tyrant whom Lactantius himself accepts persecuted Christians, and thereby to miss the opportunity to tie together the first and the last of the persecutors, is almost inexplicable unless he was unaware of the connection or had discounted it for some reason. was embraced by Jupiter [Zeus]. [13] At the Emperor Neros wish, the woman, like mythological Dirce, was tied to a wild bull and dragged around the arena.Clements Letter to the Corinthians. Up until the time of Tacitus this expression had been used of an ethnic group to refer to the Jews. Your clarity of expression, fair comments and personal insights are much valued. ", "Neil, this is actually rather useful. ", "Fantastic. Later sources such as the writing of Sulpicius Severus are useless for our enquiry because they all depend on Tacitus. . ", "I find your blog most interesting and appreciate your ongoing effort to keep to the evidence for the issues discussed! The Church of St. Clement is one of the most fascinating places in Rome. It seems as if official science is here again, as in so many other cases, under the dominion of a long-continued suggestion, in taking the narrative of Tacitus to be genuine without further examination. Per Porter, Stanley E.; Pearson, Brook W.R. (2000). "Antiopa, daughter of Nycteus . Danaus' brother Aegyptus had fifty children as well; in his case, all of them were male. A complete bibliography of the translations quoted on this page. To read more about Neil, see our. A shepherd who is a father figure to the boys after helping to raise them convinces them of the truth that Antiope is their real mother. According to the footnote in The Ante-Nicene Fathers, they are either two unknown women or the phrase was possible added later. She, suspecting that her husband had secretly lain with Antiopa, ordered her servants to keep her bound in darkness. ", "Thanks for this detailed interaction! He made a secret plan to get rid of Aegyptus and his sons for good. certain women who were spectacularly executed, dressed up as Danaids and Dircae. Then notice Tacitus explaining to his readers that these Christians were just as people in his own day thought of them the harbingers of a new and degraded form of superstitio. "The grace of repentance" brought by the blood of Christ changes all that. Slingerlands own proposal for the identity of Chrestus is imaginative and novel. In this chapter, Clement calls God's desire for the repentance of sinners a "gracious declaration." That those accused of starting the fire that destroyed a large segment of Rome were set alight as human torches is an example of this practice. can be read as Myrmydone as cited in Hyginus, can be read possibly as Cleodora (Mauricius Schmidt) or simply. Owing to envy, Paul also obtained the reward of patient endurance, after being seven times thrown into captivity, compelled to flee, and stoned. You are doing essentially the same quality now (apart from the philology and languages) except mostly sticking to commenting on others work as informed comment/discussion. Doris Lessing, I like the probability of the impossible." (2015) Clarifying the Scope of Pre-Fifth-Century C.E. 51:16-17; Ezek. It teaches us to "deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and to live sober, righteously, and godly in this present age" (Tit. 25. I dont always agree with them, but I respect their work. Some history is putty in the hands of this or that historian like the 1984 memory-holers. The gaps are striking lacunae in the knowledge of a senator from Italy, frequently resident in or near the imperial capital, who was well informed on these matters, if in fact Christians had been found guilty of a monstrous crime against the Roman state in the mid-60s. For example, when Tacitus says that there arose a distaste towards Nero for his executions because they were perceived to be a concession to the emperors bestiality and not a contribution to the. ", "For an excellent example of generally high-quality scholarship by someone who isnt a biblical studies professor, see Neil Godfreys work posted on the website vridar.org. Tacitus himself was well aware of these developments. This could mean that Rome was also experiencing envy and there were those who wanted leadership roles out of envy. Filed under: Ancient Literature, Historical Methods and Historiography, History and Biography Shaw, Brent D. (2018). This made the Christians infamous throughout Rome where they hadnt been known of before. At the same time a Nero myth was maturingamong the lower classes. As such, he functioned as a personal attendant (amanuensis) of the Pope, writing letters at his behest and dictation, with no formal registration of the briefs, but merely preserving copies., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poggio_Bracciolini. Most Americans tend to think of religion as something rather fluid. The spring called Dirke (Dirce), running parallel to the Ismenos (Ismenus) and the walls themselves, which had always previously had clear and pure water, was suddenly and unexpectedly filled with blood. We must not forget what a close connection there is between this narrative and the whole of Christian history, and what interest religious education and the Church have in preventing any doubt from being cast on it.. certain womenwho were spectacularly executed, dressed up as Danaids and Dircae. 20.135, who served Claudius and advised him to side with the Samaritans in their dispute against the Jews (pp. Your email address will not be published. Again, there is no connection with Nero or with the Fire. The infants were exposed, but a neatherd found and reared them, and he called the one Zethos (Zethus) and the other Amphion . Attached to the account of Neros atrocities against the Christians is an explanation of the derivation of their name, making reference to a man who had suffered the extreme penalty at the hands of Pontius Pilate. His views are at bottom mere apologetics, anyway as you yourself comment with respect to point 2. ), Note what Arthur Drews said about the relationship of the Sulpicius Severus passage (Chronicle 2.29.1-4a) and the Tacitus passage (Annals 15.44) , We are therefore strongly disposed to suspect that the passage (Annals, xv, 44) was transferred from Sulpicius to the text of Tacitus by the hand of a monastic copyist or forger, for the greater glory of God and in order to strengthen the truth of the Christian tradition by a pagan witness.[67]. Lynceus killed Danaus as revenge for the death of his brothers and he and Hypermnestra started the Danaid Dynasty of rulers in Argos. He was accused of inflicting horrible martyrdoms on the Christians, and thus the legend in its latest form reached the Chronicle of Sulpicius. to remind ourselves.". Thus was he removed from the world. Nor does Acts 18:1-3 help the cause, for its reference to Jews expelled from Rome who joined Paul in Corinth does not suggest that they were Christians when they left Rome. I think I was the first to present a comprehensive case (587-630) for the whole Neronian persecution as a consequence of the Great Fire, let alone the idea of any Christian responsibility for it, as being a later myth. can be read possibly as Philinna according to Mauricius Schmidt in his annotations of Hyginus. Even in the New Testament, we are told that at the judgment those who patiently to do good will be rewarded in eternal life (Rom. 5 (trans. DIRKE (Dirce) was the Naiad-nymph of the spring of Dirke near Thebes in Boiotia (central Greece). This was not a large crowd! . He wrote of one of several episodes of people in the East gaining following by falsely claiming to be Nero returning to re-claim theempire. No specifically identifiable author can be fixed for these letters. He then returns to the events of Neros time. "I still wonder at all the material you turn out for Vridar. Suetonius makes no connection here with the Fire. So we return to Tacituss contemporary, Suetonius, who wrote: Christians were afflicted with punishments, a type of men of a new and evil superstitio . ], suffered (capital) punishment in the reign of Tiberius through the agency of the procurator Pontius Pilatus. happen to be some of the most astute and well-read amateurs you can read on the internet on the subject of biblical historicity. . After preaching both in the east and west, he gained the illustrious reputation due to his faith, having taught righteousness to the whole world, and come to the extreme limit of the west, and suffered martyrdom under the prefects. Indeed, the statement is part of a longer list of legal restrictions introduced by Nero. Therefore it is likely that Tacitus attests the persecution of the Chrestien Jews noted by Suetonius, given that most classical scholars do not identify Chrestus with Christ. These include: The Daughters of Danaus is also the title of an 1894 novel by Mona Caird, also dealing with imposed marriage although, in this case, it is a single marriage instead of 50, and in 19th-century Great Britain. The paucity and weakness of the data, however, have not prevented acceptance of the historicity of this first persecution as an undisputed fact. For example, when Tacitus says that there arose a distaste towards Nero for his executions because they were perceived to be a concession to the emperors bestiality and not a contribution to the utilitas publica of the state, he is surely echoing a dominant ideology not of the 60s but of his own age. 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